From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier via "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#33855: 27.0.50; Can't see markup in HELLO Date: Fri, 20 May 2022 16:56:24 -0400 Message-ID: References: <87czgbc7kg.fsf@gnus.org> <87wneizybf.fsf@gmail.com> <871qwp9kms.fsf@gnus.org> <83v8u09wep.fsf@gnu.org> <83o7zs9pcf.fsf@gnu.org> <83ee0o9g5d.fsf@gnu.org> Reply-To: Stefan Monnier Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="11216"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: larsi@gnus.org, rpluim@gmail.com, 33855@debbugs.gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri May 20 22:57:10 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1ns9gL-0002hf-Dz for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 20 May 2022 22:57:09 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:48664 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ns9gK-0006lM-7I for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 20 May 2022 16:57:08 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:37492) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ns9gD-0006lD-W9 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 20 May 2022 16:57:02 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:46300) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ns9gD-00041o-Ng for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 20 May 2022 16:57:01 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ns9gD-0002IH-Hl for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 20 May 2022 16:57:01 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Stefan Monnier Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 20 May 2022 20:57:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 33855 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: moreinfo Original-Received: via spool by 33855-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B33855.16530802028792 (code B ref 33855); Fri, 20 May 2022 20:57:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 33855) by debbugs.gnu.org; 20 May 2022 20:56:42 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:40197 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ns9fu-0002Hk-Bd for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 20 May 2022 16:56:42 -0400 Original-Received: from mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca ([132.204.25.50]:49519) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ns9fq-0002HU-IC for 33855@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 20 May 2022 16:56:41 -0400 Original-Received: from pmg1.iro.umontreal.ca (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pmg1.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id EA0FA1006B0; Fri, 20 May 2022 16:56:32 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: from mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (unknown [172.31.2.1]) by pmg1.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 508B4100163; Fri, 20 May 2022 16:56:27 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=iro.umontreal.ca; s=mail; t=1653080187; bh=P9VhilNFZcusz0GRW1kLhAEFN0YgYnZBmDgctTOPcSE=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=iB2BAtbqV+ESTshD8g6Ec2iDxmFI2fpcE+FO65y7fv4DQ7tUxXtbTQy5Hp91aLdSD 0+xwgGRzJx+HICfD2PJ5RwjEO5eG7qDmS60NakdoafMGcrJ6dySa+SCij/Its1XwEP qNEyH3N5DEXVa8ot5I2Hp47AfFJH2gh24cEs2zXkPmbAjRmOFAlOJ9BTR0LdL1X1Hb e7ygfOLKvk0Qi21wKMJQ5dzj6YDWKK8iseQ07nkxtPSQ6kDqdtOJ/MFNi8whuZrdPZ M0lxt7EohXFouF1SmujvmJpHOjbzASS54CNgP0k3B3qgk3cFRyuD1w3ny28GhSwMCC SZqgt43D3NuqA== Original-Received: from pastel (unknown [45.72.221.51]) by mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 144C0120C94; Fri, 20 May 2022 16:56:27 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <83ee0o9g5d.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Fri, 20 May 2022 22:07:42 +0300") X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:232791 Archived-At: >> I think this assumes too much knowledge on the part of the user about >> how `enriched-mode` works internally. > Not at all. Enriched mode is the _only_ mode that is capable of > preserving the faces when saving buffers to files. The documentation > of Enriched mode spells that out at the beginning. So you're absolutely sure that I'm one of the very rarest of users who could fall into this trap? I still can't see why even if you're right it wouldn't be beneficial to merge `enriched-mode` with `enriched-toggle-markup` by prompting the users to know which behavior they want. When enabling `enriched-mode` we already prompt the user (to know what to do about hard/soft newlines). Stefan