From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#1305: All code that currently beeps should use visual bell instead Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2021 10:03:38 -0400 Message-ID: References: <1869622e162377be79e9@heytings.org> <83bladw0dh.fsf@gnu.org> <87a6pxqdeg.fsf@gnus.org> <875z0lqcj4.fsf@gnus.org> <1869622e1602a39e56a6@heytings.org> <87a6pwvcrv.fsf@md5i.com> <1869622e165c625e097b@heytings.org> <874kg4vast.fsf@md5i.com> <1869622e166ad3c37a69@heytings.org> <87k0ozq3n8.fsf@gnus.org> <87blabpy54.fsf@gnus.org> <87lf9eo3mq.fsf@gnus.org> <87zgxumo7y.fsf@gnus.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="26646"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: 1305@debbugs.gnu.org, Michael Welsh Duggan , Stefan Kangas , Gregory Heytings , jasonspiro4@gmail.com, Dmitry Gutov To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Apr 19 16:04:31 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1lYUVq-0006lU-4j for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 19 Apr 2021 16:04:30 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:43634 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lYUVp-0000Hg-85 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 19 Apr 2021 10:04:29 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:58830) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lYUVP-0000HE-3a for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 19 Apr 2021 10:04:03 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:39898) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lYUVO-0000yu-Dv for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 19 Apr 2021 10:04:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lYUVO-0007Ko-8L for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 19 Apr 2021 10:04:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Stefan Monnier Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2021 14:04:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 1305 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 1305-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B1305.161884102928174 (code B ref 1305); Mon, 19 Apr 2021 14:04:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 1305) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 Apr 2021 14:03:49 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51444 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lYUVA-0007KM-Sz for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 19 Apr 2021 10:03:49 -0400 Original-Received: from mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca ([132.204.25.50]:35669) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lYUV8-0007K8-ND for 1305@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 19 Apr 2021 10:03:47 -0400 Original-Received: from pmg2.iro.umontreal.ca (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pmg2.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 579EA80BC1; Mon, 19 Apr 2021 10:03:41 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: from mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (unknown [172.31.2.1]) by pmg2.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id C1C6780A77; Mon, 19 Apr 2021 10:03:39 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=iro.umontreal.ca; s=mail; t=1618841019; bh=LH4BbSAn+VIM4VrR6RqIomQfS4LQul/egNDrmGdTQgQ=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=T0upe+pJrz+N8JifJIAHZOnRQYqaM4hOPJwI/b8apmvqGJqWvjZ9NUOyfIFFrDiew 4BLcXkGiKwcusjrrswOxkDUGLOtXYiM6nBjsrKDFwhAdQWAsSDZ/pAGlGLlXj0VB1h /SwVeGtPuXNPxfWrTP6qTinTuL9PKjL2pkLAsaVDNy2iRI5s5p/y+z2Di4kdZTzt5d r/h+q0Lj4YoW7axON0CN8QjTaQpe/TXV5KLPs5ZETFXMK4aHUa+9278kdH0EbpqbUE 45n4+BA066zTyYzcsssGYsQtsxyirCYECIqJRgX3Zk6j60Z7kDLl3ovAMv/Z0rcH20 mQR358pkh8Qug== Original-Received: from alfajor (104-222-126-84.cpe.teksavvy.com [104.222.126.84]) by mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 66AB6120262; Mon, 19 Apr 2021 10:03:39 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <87zgxumo7y.fsf@gnus.org> (Lars Ingebrigtsen's message of "Mon, 19 Apr 2021 14:51:45 +0200") X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:204457 Archived-At: > users should complain more. :-) We make customization too easy. Same with ELisp packages: it's too easy to work around a problem with some `fboundp` or `condition-case` duct-tape, so the package authors aren't encouraged to report problems to us (especially since even if we fix the problem, they'll still need the duct-tape until our fix trickles down to all their users). Stefan