From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier via "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#52063: 28.0.60; Confusing presentation of lambda Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2021 12:19:51 -0500 Message-ID: References: <83czmqaegb.fsf@gnu.org> <874k82vwe5.fsf@gnus.org> <831r35afde.fsf@gnu.org> <87v90hu36b.fsf@gnus.org> <83v90h8zjw.fsf@gnu.org> <87r1b5u1cl.fsf@gnus.org> <83pmqp8vps.fsf@gnu.org> <87sfvly160.fsf@gnus.org> <83ilwh8pf2.fsf@gnu.org> Reply-To: Stefan Monnier Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="25966"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: larsi@gnus.org, 52063@debbugs.gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Nov 24 18:21:33 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mpvxd-0006WI-8o for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 24 Nov 2021 18:21:33 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:60890 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mpvxb-0003PU-PF for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 24 Nov 2021 12:21:31 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:57434) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mpvx9-0003OK-Kj for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 24 Nov 2021 12:21:04 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:43321) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mpvx8-00064C-Sn for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 24 Nov 2021 12:21:03 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mpvx8-0001XE-Fr for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 24 Nov 2021 12:21:02 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Stefan Monnier Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2021 17:21:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 52063 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 52063-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B52063.16377744105825 (code B ref 52063); Wed, 24 Nov 2021 17:21:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 52063) by debbugs.gnu.org; 24 Nov 2021 17:20:10 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54867 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mpvwF-0001Vn-I4 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 24 Nov 2021 12:20:10 -0500 Original-Received: from mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca ([132.204.25.50]:55175) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mpvw8-0001V8-Kq for 52063@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 24 Nov 2021 12:20:06 -0500 Original-Received: from pmg3.iro.umontreal.ca (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pmg3.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 0F0EA440F6A; Wed, 24 Nov 2021 12:19:55 -0500 (EST) Original-Received: from mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (unknown [172.31.2.1]) by pmg3.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 9B4B7440F07; Wed, 24 Nov 2021 12:19:53 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=iro.umontreal.ca; s=mail; t=1637774393; bh=+Ndbm9Y62zQJ4vounC3nsho0cTY91nsnwOLF8rPsn+U=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=M5c2GatCicxlien31c0xWS+R2Zgd3pOHw99MoinNTob+ZeKeF+uPGS09SU1cvDoqO ToX+SGWpQ0ETE7J7UmKQ7SxjVnNcnj/49lMu8adMmPxnP7+yGLxO8TRc2VL/s26HTp pah7QwTsHuC6jRDOtKiz0vTuacik66NEeR4D3cTj9UIHT0OcIqrqLe41WXayczBb5m 6xFc0QA12/C5ctAzegxklSNuRMuZdzZxL+8fhWJ66/Uzea4kwQYp9a/x0QNtAa8yhS s8lDrb7BXNcijuLGD82UAscd8mN2jzrG4f/S8MYjVo2NbVCrBm4J31KjL26tsRzEBk HXZaMqX6Flq8g== Original-Received: from alfajor (lechon.iro.umontreal.ca [132.204.27.242]) by mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 8AFBD120193; Wed, 24 Nov 2021 12:19:53 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: <83ilwh8pf2.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Wed, 24 Nov 2021 18:54:41 +0200") X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:220755 Archived-At: >> > But perhaps others have other opinions here? >> Compile your code and the problem goes away (because you'll never see >> (lambda ...) or (closure ...) values, they'll all be >> byte-code-functions instead ;-) > I don't want to compile my .emacs. > Any other words of wisdom before I write this off as another annoyance > of lexical-binding, and take care to disable that wherever I can? The other word of wisdom is: Don't add lambdas to hook. Always name those functions. That's good advice regardless of lexical/dynamic scoping. Stefan