From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#12215: CSET is unnecessarily confusing Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 21:58:25 -0400 Message-ID: References: <502D8A95.7060609@cs.ucla.edu> <5034511B.7010409@cs.ucla.edu> <50350A4C.5050103@cs.ucla.edu> <87fw7d3qan.fsf@gnu.org> <5037B7A6.5030202@cs.ucla.edu> <87zk5kjj4p.fsf@fleche.redhat.com> <5037C3E4.9000704@cs.ucla.edu> <503819A5.10908@cs.ucla.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1345859973 2016 80.91.229.3 (25 Aug 2012 01:59:33 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2012 01:59:33 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Tom Tromey , Chong Yidong , 12215@debbugs.gnu.org, Dmitry Antipov To: Paul Eggert Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Aug 25 03:59:33 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1T55eq-0001b3-TA for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 25 Aug 2012 03:59:29 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:60907 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1T55eo-0006wA-PS for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 21:59:26 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:36113) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1T55em-0006vY-FW for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 21:59:25 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1T55el-0002eT-LB for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 21:59:24 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:38086) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1T55el-0002eP-Hx for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 21:59:23 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1T55fN-0000vr-Mk for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 22:00:01 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Stefan Monnier Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2012 02:00:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 12215 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: patch Original-Received: via spool by 12215-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B12215.13458599533511 (code B ref 12215); Sat, 25 Aug 2012 02:00:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 12215) by debbugs.gnu.org; 25 Aug 2012 01:59:13 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:47632 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1T55eb-0000ua-7C for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 21:59:13 -0400 Original-Received: from ironport2-out.teksavvy.com ([206.248.154.182]:24968) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1T55eW-0000uQ-5C for 12215@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 21:59:11 -0400 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Av0EAG6Zu0/O+KG6/2dsb2JhbABEDrQDgQiCFQEBBAFWIwULCzQSFBgNJIgcBboJkEQDozOBWIIwVQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,637,1330923600"; d="scan'208";a="196651448" Original-Received: from 206-248-161-186.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO pastel.home) ([206.248.161.186]) by ironport2-out.teksavvy.com with ESMTP/TLS/ADH-AES256-SHA; 24 Aug 2012 21:58:28 -0400 Original-Received: by pastel.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 8904758914; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 21:58:25 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <503819A5.10908@cs.ucla.edu> (Paul Eggert's message of "Fri, 24 Aug 2012 17:17:41 -0700") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.2.50 (gnu/linux) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:63472 Archived-At: > Ah, sorry, I misunderstood. But still, currently the people > who are actually doing those experiments (Dmitry, Tom) don't > need these macros and don't particularly want them. AFAIK that's true of BVAR but not of setter macros (which Dmitry does need). > And Chong is calling BVAR "horrible". Yes, tho the issue is the use of field names in syntactic contexts where they can be confused for variable names. Stefan