From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier via "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#59057: Emacs 29. Byte compiler sometimes forgets about a defvar. Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2022 15:36:17 -0500 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: Stefan Monnier Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="34276"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Cc: Alan Mackenzie , 59057@debbugs.gnu.org To: Stefan Kangas Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Nov 24 21:41:25 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1oyJ2C-0008kY-7W for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 24 Nov 2022 21:41:24 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oyIy2-0005kn-4X; Thu, 24 Nov 2022 15:37:06 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oyIxz-0005jC-R0 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 24 Nov 2022 15:37:03 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oyIxz-0000lU-Is for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 24 Nov 2022 15:37:03 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oyIxy-00071A-Dl for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 24 Nov 2022 15:37:02 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Stefan Monnier Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2022 20:37:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 59057 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 59057-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B59057.166932218826928 (code B ref 59057); Thu, 24 Nov 2022 20:37:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 59057) by debbugs.gnu.org; 24 Nov 2022 20:36:28 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60393 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oyIxQ-00070F-1p for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 24 Nov 2022 15:36:28 -0500 Original-Received: from mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca ([132.204.25.50]:49523) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oyIxN-000701-Vz for 59057@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 24 Nov 2022 15:36:26 -0500 Original-Received: from pmg1.iro.umontreal.ca (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pmg1.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 04B331000DF; Thu, 24 Nov 2022 15:36:20 -0500 (EST) Original-Received: from mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (unknown [172.31.2.1]) by pmg1.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 08CC610002A; Thu, 24 Nov 2022 15:36:18 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=iro.umontreal.ca; s=mail; t=1669322178; bh=xwDILxwMN+q3lQACcYLHSoHrz8jq/RzIWSBnKQQ0kyw=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Date:From; b=KrPexcm24xrJOCo6MoZlQZVbypQkHn7veRLR2aR1JC0LRioZrwepjQ901p0nnXGnV Yduu2WeoWNbZxDDFs/uFdZpuQlngw1Fozz+OZxiD1m45w3hP82jtxWMAKa8cFgjGiB 6WOFHjhsVX6KFGbI72mIULLQeMjbZVue/NoUvfAs6n0MrQ3ugratw6j/3/qjm/00Fb ywi3zECbp4qnunwHaWiexDI7Yo6TaQwCy72PLA0d+jUvOLzPONzPSVunNMP7eAsSLe WyC+Vm7NrC4UzNneCuwUWcII4P+usr9tuxzzohMLbY13CMJSLPTVzAwZuClNs71e4e gYEPc469X9vNA== Original-Received: from alfajor (unknown [45.44.229.252]) by mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id B6D4C120472; Thu, 24 Nov 2022 15:36:17 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: (Stefan Kangas's message of "Thu, 24 Nov 2022 11:29:32 -0800") X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:248919 Archived-At: > I guess defvar will have to stay as it is. But would it make sense to > add a new `declare-variable' function, and then document the form > > (defvar ) > > to be considered deprecated? I don't see any concrete benefit. It's only a problem of documentation and/or teaching programmers. If we could go back to 1984 maybe it would be worth it to make a different decision, but the cost of the change doesn't seem worth the very minor (and hypothetical) benefit. Stefan