From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#6203: Frame-local variables break let-binding Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 11:29:28 -0400 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1274198605 4756 80.91.229.12 (18 May 2010 16:03:25 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 16:03:25 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 6203@debbugs.gnu.org To: Nathan Weizenbaum Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue May 18 18:03:22 2010 connect(): No such file or directory Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OEPGJ-00018N-4d for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 18 May 2010 18:03:19 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42321 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OEPAO-0004S9-FU for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 18 May 2010 11:57:12 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=49692 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OEPAF-0004PN-Jg for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 18 May 2010 11:57:04 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OEPAA-0000B9-PO for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 18 May 2010 11:57:03 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:54472) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OEPA8-0000Aj-1d for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 18 May 2010 11:56:58 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OEOk8-0008Uf-5h; Tue, 18 May 2010 11:30:04 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Stefan Monnier Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 15:30:03 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 6203 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 6203-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B6203.127419657632623 (code B ref 6203); Tue, 18 May 2010 15:30:03 +0000 Original-Received: (at 6203) by debbugs.gnu.org; 18 May 2010 15:29:36 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OEOjg-0008U8-4P for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 18 May 2010 11:29:36 -0400 Original-Received: from ironport2-out.teksavvy.com ([206.248.154.183] helo=ironport2-out.pppoe.ca) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OEOje-0008U3-E4 for 6203@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 18 May 2010 11:29:35 -0400 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AvsEABtP8ktMCpz0/2dsb2JhbACdf3K+U4UQBIwv X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.53,255,1272859200"; d="scan'208";a="64477039" Original-Received: from 76-10-156-244.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO pastel.home) ([76.10.156.244]) by ironport2-out.pppoe.ca with ESMTP; 18 May 2010 11:29:29 -0400 Original-Received: by pastel.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 8E9A38064; Tue, 18 May 2010 11:29:28 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: (Nathan Weizenbaum's message of "Mon, 17 May 2010 13:10:43 -0700") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Resent-Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 11:30:04 -0400 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:37013 Archived-At: > But frame-parameters have to be manually managed with frame-parameter, no? Sounds obvious, doesn't it? > Even ignoring compatibility for user-facing configuration, it seems really > annoying to have to call frame-parameter and set-frame-parameter all the > time, especially if you're trying to simulate `let'. No, it really doesn't seem particularly annoying: (require 'cl) (letf (((frame-parameter ) 'newvalue)) ) the same holds for symbol properties, process properties, window parameters, terminal parameters, ... > Are there at least any plans for a nicer API for working with what used to > be frame-local variables? BTW, since frame-parameters have been very rarely used and you seem to use them "extensively", I'm curious: what do you use them for (i.e. what kind of data do you keep there, and why do you need to let-(re)bind it)? Stefan