From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#20968: 25.0.50; Be able to specify the output directory for `byte-compile-file' Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2015 14:46:50 -0400 Message-ID: References: <23829743-922e-4304-8ab3-b762b8193860@default> <74y4iytdjg.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <83pp49zb03.fsf@gnu.org> <83egkpyvvd.fsf@gnu.org> <83si94xrcn.fsf@gnu.org> <83ioa0xhix.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1436035638 28081 80.91.229.3 (4 Jul 2015 18:47:18 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2015 18:47:18 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 20968@debbugs.gnu.org, bruce.connor.am@gmail.com To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Jul 04 20:47:07 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ZBSSx-0007QO-AN for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 04 Jul 2015 20:47:07 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:45020 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZBSSw-0003kA-Pg for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 04 Jul 2015 14:47:06 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:54233) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZBSSt-0003js-7p for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 04 Jul 2015 14:47:04 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZBSSs-00007W-FI for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 04 Jul 2015 14:47:03 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:38479) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZBSSs-00007B-BB for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 04 Jul 2015 14:47:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1ZBSSs-0004C6-5U for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 04 Jul 2015 14:47:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Stefan Monnier Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2015 18:47:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 20968 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 20968-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B20968.143603562116115 (code B ref 20968); Sat, 04 Jul 2015 18:47:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 20968) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 Jul 2015 18:47:01 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39925 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1ZBSSq-0004Bq-2E for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 04 Jul 2015 14:47:00 -0400 Original-Received: from chene.dit.umontreal.ca ([132.204.246.20]:33568) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1ZBSSl-0004Bd-Jw for 20968@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 04 Jul 2015 14:46:57 -0400 Original-Received: from ceviche.home (lechon.iro.umontreal.ca [132.204.27.242]) by chene.dit.umontreal.ca (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id t64Ikp6D027620; Sat, 4 Jul 2015 14:46:52 -0400 Original-Received: by ceviche.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 96E16660ED; Sat, 4 Jul 2015 14:46:50 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <83ioa0xhix.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Sat, 04 Jul 2015 14:56:54 +0300") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-NAI-Spam-Flag: NO X-NAI-Spam-Threshold: 5 X-NAI-Spam-Score: 0 X-NAI-Spam-Rules: 1 Rules triggered RV5357=0 X-NAI-Spam-Version: 2.3.0.9393 : core <5357> : inlines <3321> : streams <1466254> : uri <1976592> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:104705 Archived-At: > My point was precisely a call to teach them to know better. In my experience the number of questions on stack-foo which should be bug-reports is no worse than the number of questions on gnu.emacs.help which should be bug reports. So, for me, stack-foo is no worse than gnu.emacs.help in that respect. I do see some downsides to stack-foo: - the "pull rather than push" is indeed annoying (there are ways to circumvent it, tho). - for people whose workflow is email-based it's annoying that you can't reply from Gnus (for example) in the "usual" way. - it's centralized and "out of control": e.g. there's no archive available. As long as it exists, we can still access it, and by nature it tends to add data so it's in a sense "self-archiving", but since questions and answers can be edited (and are edited) there's no way to really see what it was like two years ago. In any case, it exists and it's not like we have the power to force people to use something else. Stefan