From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#22213: 24.5; please allow specification or elimination of timestamp in autoloads Date: Fri, 08 Jan 2016 02:41:49 -0500 Message-ID: References: <877fkauv8l.fsf@zancas.localnet> <874mfeusl9.fsf@zancas.localnet> <06zix4ab5w.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1452238943 4821 80.91.229.3 (8 Jan 2016 07:42:23 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2016 07:42:23 +0000 (UTC) Cc: David Bremner , 22213@debbugs.gnu.org To: Glenn Morris Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Jan 08 08:42:12 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1aHRgY-0004Uu-Nw for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 08 Jan 2016 08:42:10 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:34332 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aHRgX-0006hD-Rq for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 08 Jan 2016 02:42:09 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:32792) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aHRgT-0006fn-J0 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 08 Jan 2016 02:42:06 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aHRgQ-0004iL-Cp for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 08 Jan 2016 02:42:05 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.43]:53989) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aHRgQ-0004iH-99 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 08 Jan 2016 02:42:02 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aHRgQ-0004Lb-2M for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 08 Jan 2016 02:42:02 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Stefan Monnier Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 08 Jan 2016 07:42:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 22213 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 22213-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B22213.145223891816702 (code B ref 22213); Fri, 08 Jan 2016 07:42:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 22213) by debbugs.gnu.org; 8 Jan 2016 07:41:58 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42209 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aHRgL-0004LK-Q8 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 08 Jan 2016 02:41:57 -0500 Original-Received: from ironport2-out.teksavvy.com ([206.248.154.181]:7260) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aHRgJ-0004L6-AK for 22213@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 08 Jan 2016 02:41:55 -0500 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: A0A2FgA731xV/xQDr7hcgxCEAoVVwwsEAgKBPDwRAQEBAQEBAYEKQQWDXQEBAwFWIxALDiYSFBgNJIg3CM8jAQEBAQYBAQEBHos6hQUHhC0FjDCSZ4NriiuGEoFFI4IKHBWBWyCCeAEBAQ X-IPAS-Result: A0A2FgA731xV/xQDr7hcgxCEAoVVwwsEAgKBPDwRAQEBAQEBAYEKQQWDXQEBAwFWIxALDiYSFBgNJIg3CM8jAQEBAQYBAQEBHos6hQUHhC0FjDCSZ4NriiuGEoFFI4IKHBWBWyCCeAEBAQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.13,465,1427774400"; d="scan'208";a="187727367" Original-Received: from 184-175-3-20.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO ceviche.home) ([184.175.3.20]) by ironport2-out.teksavvy.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA; 08 Jan 2016 02:41:49 -0500 Original-Received: by ceviche.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 42B986613F; Fri, 8 Jan 2016 02:41:49 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: (Glenn Morris's message of "Thu, 07 Jan 2016 02:42:12 -0500") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:111354 Archived-At: >> But for autoloads.el in general this is not true because of the >> existence of entry points such as update-file-autoloads which mean that >> the autoloads file may be updated for some of the files it covers rather >> than for all of them. > I think there are a lot of cases (the majority?) where we know that this > kind of partial update simply isn't going to happen. Definitely. I've never seen entry points like update-file-autoloads being used. I think autoloads.el would benefit greatly from getting rid of such entry points (they significantly complicate the code, in my experience, and they're very rarely used, if ever). Stefan