From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier via "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#21507: 25.0.50: (global-SOME-MINOR-MODE) not affecting fundamental mode buffers Date: Wed, 26 May 2021 18:41:07 -0400 Message-ID: References: <87h7o66af7.fsf@gnus.org> <87wnrl86s9.fsf@gnus.org> Reply-To: Stefan Monnier Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="15990"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: 21507@debbugs.gnu.org, Drew Adams , Kaushal Modi To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu May 27 00:42:10 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1lm2E6-000408-D7 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; 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h=From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=lL6PLeR0HAtHh0PvTJ4K5/J86+Tds4apZxK46Mr7oK7srW1bDFR5T6ghWI0Zpw1A8 uB4OEO8TFt/hdVXZy197nzwhFXF/SjemPxaDwbHX480a9H4iWU/+NrIlEh0HhfSlBl lgpXg2ZSdmV2WoqH2SP3kT68VmHPbuxmc7jTeoG0I98kgqid0XuitYbdnR0bLC1Zbw THjRBtIt3n/JK0q89riIUZ8kqydQ1kMK/x27fOtoj8a4/ksiWSLJlJGFdZEOScqf7W cWqpQtG4SXnveVJlmpt1mHbOmSzzWjtKosEE7WGHCSPOSLWStlxBu7rvbOSsqVIkWQ gZ/gTfOeM/aPA== Original-Received: from alfajor (69-196-163-239.dsl.teksavvy.com [69.196.163.239]) by mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 914DA1209D2; Wed, 26 May 2021 18:41:08 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <87wnrl86s9.fsf@gnus.org> (Lars Ingebrigtsen's message of "Thu, 27 May 2021 00:33:10 +0200") X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:207334 Archived-At: Lars Ingebrigtsen [2021-05-27 00:33:10] wrote: > Lars Ingebrigtsen writes: >>> If I tweak my minor mode to be of my2-mode (change the init value to >>> t)or my3-mode (force the init value to t using setq-default) types >>> above, then my minor mode gets enabled globally in true sense (even in >>> buffers created using get-create-buffer). >>> >>> In essence, setting the init value as t is not the same as enabling a >>> globalized minor mode. >>> >>> Is this by design? >> Anybody know? > Perhaps Stefan does; added to the CCs. Maybe I misunderstand the question, but a minor mode is defined by a function that can used to turn it ON/OFF and a variable that lets you know where it's ON or OFF. Setting the var directly rather than via the minor mode function just breaks the abstraction and its behavior is thus "defined by implementation" and subject to change. Similarly `:init-value` is used to tell Emacs what is the initial state, rather than to set this initial state. Stefan