From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier via "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#52063: 28.0.60; Confusing presentation of lambda Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2021 14:46:04 -0500 Message-ID: References: <83czmqaegb.fsf@gnu.org> <874k82vwe5.fsf@gnus.org> <831r35afde.fsf@gnu.org> <87v90hu36b.fsf@gnus.org> <83v90h8zjw.fsf@gnu.org> <87r1b5u1cl.fsf@gnus.org> <83pmqp8vps.fsf@gnu.org> <83zgpt7353.fsf@gnu.org> Reply-To: Stefan Monnier Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="29258"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: larsi@gnus.org, fgunbin@fastmail.fm, 52063@debbugs.gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Nov 24 20:57:31 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mpyOY-0007PE-RC for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 24 Nov 2021 20:57:31 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:51770 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mpyOX-00018K-PS for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 24 Nov 2021 14:57:29 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:41476) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mpyEQ-0007HE-S6 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 24 Nov 2021 14:47:03 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:43477) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mpyEQ-0005z8-Hs for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 24 Nov 2021 14:47:02 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mpyEQ-0007Qv-Fi for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 24 Nov 2021 14:47:02 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Stefan Monnier Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2021 19:47:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 52063 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 52063-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B52063.163778317528515 (code B ref 52063); Wed, 24 Nov 2021 19:47:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 52063) by debbugs.gnu.org; 24 Nov 2021 19:46:15 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55023 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mpyDe-0007Pr-V3 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 24 Nov 2021 14:46:15 -0500 Original-Received: from mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca ([132.204.25.50]:24170) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mpyDd-0007Pe-11 for 52063@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 24 Nov 2021 14:46:13 -0500 Original-Received: from pmg1.iro.umontreal.ca (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pmg1.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 62E501001C4; Wed, 24 Nov 2021 14:46:07 -0500 (EST) Original-Received: from mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (unknown [172.31.2.1]) by pmg1.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id D02EB10016E; Wed, 24 Nov 2021 14:46:05 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=iro.umontreal.ca; s=mail; t=1637783165; bh=g03iT1RQDLTw+ZH3XcRrpubwHOvva6lrEX1RTXSH3G4=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=Gj0bmnoy+ZshKv0aC38BsrT5hKmfpZlBRQxxjZBVf7TIYW6KTLNA6PfmHH/X6S0tk jZw32NYc0esBfJh7JAoz94F1xuHqGjA+bszhAS3OHZk2zghUbLKq9NKjvYrkNhcVXz NMQMVQ9HWLGbNjEsXpfvrQE2AsOV15NpGdZmbBE2N3pYC6R+tuC3eVoA4mhfhJ7rdu KxLfFJ5G99EYiV6nsvdykDHHDpCu2y/Rqg1Cg+4VajppXVPv2/lsOAQ/wLfHn0dsQw xJhelfqoO5elYaIeis5iOgXm+DC8KyWKXx+jUtSkxeRlqQwCAIuZYBZZRBnACt4CeA RbP2dffwLRitA== Original-Received: from pastel (unknown [216.154.30.173]) by mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id A0305120983; Wed, 24 Nov 2021 14:46:05 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: <83zgpt7353.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Wed, 24 Nov 2021 21:41:12 +0200") X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:220768 Archived-At: >> >From where I sit, the problem is one of habit. > There's nothing wrong with habits, and there's no reason to fight > habits of others, even if you don't share them. What I'm saying is that you are annoyed by the (closure ...) thingy mostly because you're used to seeing (lambda ...) rather than because there's an actual problem with the (closure ...) itself. IOW if it had always behaved that way, you wouldn't be bothered by it. If I had my way, we'd never see any (lambda ...) value nor any (closure ...) value, but we'd instead see things more like # or maybe #[function ...] ;-) Stefan