From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#1305: All code that currently beeps should use visual bellinstead Date: Sun, 09 Nov 2008 21:07:29 -0500 Message-ID: References: <009901c9421f$5bd0a6b0$0200a8c0@us.oracle.com> <00ad01c942a0$1f49ca60$0200a8c0@us.oracle.com> Reply-To: Stefan Monnier , 1305@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1226284229 29628 80.91.229.12 (10 Nov 2008 02:30:29 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 02:30:29 +0000 (UTC) Cc: jasonspiro4@gmail.com, bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org, 1305@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Nov 10 03:31:30 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KzMYr-000506-By for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 03:31:29 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:47791 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KzMXj-0005UG-0Q for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 09 Nov 2008 21:30:19 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KzMXe-0005U2-Km for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 09 Nov 2008 21:30:14 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KzMXd-0005TW-3K for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 09 Nov 2008 21:30:14 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=34816 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KzMXc-0005TT-RX for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 09 Nov 2008 21:30:12 -0500 Original-Received: from rzlab.ucr.edu ([138.23.92.77]:44417) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KzMXc-0006Wf-BF for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 09 Nov 2008 21:30:12 -0500 Original-Received: from rzlab.ucr.edu (rzlab.ucr.edu [127.0.0.1]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id mAA2U6M5009541; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 18:30:07 -0800 Original-Received: (from debbugs@localhost) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) id mAA2F3Wk005812; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 18:15:03 -0800 X-Loop: don@donarmstrong.com Resent-From: Stefan Monnier Resent-To: bug-submit-list@donarmstrong.com Resent-CC: Emacs Bugs Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 02:15:03 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: don@donarmstrong.com X-Emacs-PR-Message: report 1305 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs X-Emacs-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by submit@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com id=B.12262828604455 (code B ref -1); Mon, 10 Nov 2008 02:15:03 +0000 Original-Received: (at submit) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 10 Nov 2008 02:07:40 +0000 Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [199.232.76.165]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id mAA27a7P004444 for ; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 18:07:37 -0800 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KzMBk-0007c5-FP for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 09 Nov 2008 21:07:36 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KzMBi-0007bt-1c for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 09 Nov 2008 21:07:35 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=34778 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KzMBh-0007bq-T8 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 09 Nov 2008 21:07:33 -0500 Original-Received: from ironport2-out.teksavvy.com ([206.248.154.182]:2578) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KzMBg-0002eW-RZ; Sun, 09 Nov 2008 21:07:32 -0500 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ArMEAIomF0lFxLQU/2dsb2JhbACBdsYVg1iBEQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.33,571,1220241600"; d="scan'208";a="29598781" Original-Received: from 69-196-180-20.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO ceviche.home) ([69.196.180.20]) by ironport2-out.teksavvy.com with ESMTP; 09 Nov 2008 21:07:30 -0500 Original-Received: by ceviche.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 970A0B44C3; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 21:07:29 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Sun, 09 Nov 2008 22:00:27 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-CrossAssassin-Score: 2 X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) Resent-Date: Sun, 09 Nov 2008 21:30:14 -0500 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:22250 Archived-At: > No, that's not the intent. The intent is to make the visible bell the > default. To turn it off, you turn off visible-bell, which makes Emacs > beep again, and then turn off the speakers. Indeed. A good reason to use visible-bell by default is that we have no guarantee that the bell can actually be heard (e.g. I usually turn it off because I usually consider that a computer should be as close to silent as possible, except when I specifically ask otherwise (.e.g listing to music or whatching a video)). The other reason is that the beep can annoy other people than the user, whereas the visible-bell is very unlikely to annoy other people than the user herself. Stefan