From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#16292: 24.3.50; info docs now contain single straight quotes instead of `' Date: Fri, 03 Jan 2014 16:52:01 -0500 Message-ID: References: <20131229220810.GF7972@boo.workgroup> <52C0E734.4090403@cs.ucla.edu> <83sita1cbw.fsf@gnu.org> <52C1C456.2080004@cs.ucla.edu> <83fvpa16kh.fsf@gnu.org> <52C25D07.80808@cs.ucla.edu> <8338l91l2t.fsf@gnu.org> <52C4C95C.2010905@cs.ucla.edu> <837gajyrq1.fsf@gnu.org> <52C4F008.5060003@cs.ucla.edu> <83zjnextyg.fsf@gnu.org> <52C5BDD1.2050009@cs.ucla.edu> <83ppoaxfu6.fsf@gnu.org> <52C607DA.3090009@cs.ucla.edu> <83fvp5xzk0.fsf@gnu.org> <52C6F2C5.10505@cs.ucla.edu> <83mwjcx1i9.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1388785996 28673 80.91.229.3 (3 Jan 2014 21:53:16 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2014 21:53:16 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Paul Eggert , grfz@gmx.de, 16292@debbugs.gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Jan 03 22:53:21 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1VzCgC-0005iT-8F for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 03 Jan 2014 22:53:20 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:51928 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VzCgB-0003hI-Vo for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 03 Jan 2014 16:53:19 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:34736) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VzCg1-0003eA-RA for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 03 Jan 2014 16:53:17 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VzCfu-0004SB-GN for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 03 Jan 2014 16:53:09 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:46559) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VzCfu-0004S7-Ck for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 03 Jan 2014 16:53:02 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VzCfu-0002yh-4K for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 03 Jan 2014 16:53:02 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Stefan Monnier Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 03 Jan 2014 21:53:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 16292 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 16292-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B16292.138878592611361 (code B ref 16292); Fri, 03 Jan 2014 21:53:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 16292) by debbugs.gnu.org; 3 Jan 2014 21:52:06 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60577 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VzCez-0002xB-JS for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 03 Jan 2014 16:52:05 -0500 Original-Received: from ironport2-out.teksavvy.com ([206.248.154.181]:3549) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VzCew-0002x1-TN for 16292@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 03 Jan 2014 16:52:03 -0500 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgEFABK/CFG4rwsm/2dsb2JhbABEhke0boNZF3OCHgEBBAEjMyMQCxoCGA4CAhQYDSSIHgauX5JOgSOOVIETA4hhnBmBXoMV X-IPAS-Result: AgEFABK/CFG4rwsm/2dsb2JhbABEhke0boNZF3OCHgEBBAEjMyMQCxoCGA4CAhQYDSSIHgauX5JOgSOOVIETA4hhnBmBXoMV X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.84,565,1355115600"; d="scan'208";a="43917150" Original-Received: from 184-175-11-38.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO pastel.home) ([184.175.11.38]) by ironport2-out.teksavvy.com with ESMTP/TLS/ADH-AES256-SHA; 03 Jan 2014 16:52:01 -0500 Original-Received: by pastel.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id C2BFA6013A; Fri, 3 Jan 2014 16:52:01 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: <83mwjcx1i9.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Fri, 03 Jan 2014 22:18:38 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3.50 (gnu/linux) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:82871 Archived-At: >> That's not likely. The general consensus seems to be that >> Emacs should just use whatever Texinfo produces by default. > We didn't hear from Stefan yet. This isn't a democracy. I'm not sure I understand all of the things discussed. My position is as follows: - I'd rather use Texinfo defaults, of course, to the extent that they work OK for Emacs. - We should feel free to use Unicode chars (in utf-8 encoding) in .texi fil= es (and utf-8 should be the default encoding, so there's no need to specify it explicitly in the file). - Those Unicode chars should be preserved in the .info files (i.e. Info files should also use utf-8). - The chars introduced by "makeinfo" itself should stick to ASCII for now by default. I think we're pretty close to the point where =E2=80=98 = and =E2=80=99 can be assumed to work "everywhere", but we're not quite there yet. But I'd hope that Debian builds would not follow that default and would tell make info to use things like =E2=80=98 and =E2=80=99 since the= se chars should pretty much always work in a Debian system. Stefan