From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#20322: 25.0.50; indent-tabs-mode should default to nil Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2015 12:47:25 -0400 Message-ID: References: <861tjn3069.fsf@yandex.ru> <552D20B6.8030005@yandex.ru> <83mw2abul3.fsf@gnu.org> <552D34BC.4090806@yandex.ru> <83h9sibt0q.fsf@gnu.org> <552D7796.2090109@yandex.ru> <552D9204.3000604@yandex.ru> <552DC816.3030002@yandex.ru> <553513B4.6040509@yandex.ru> <55357918.7030808@yandex.ru> <5536A423.7020808@yandex.ru> <5537B742.3050600@yandex.ru> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1429721307 31598 80.91.229.3 (22 Apr 2015 16:48:27 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2015 16:48:27 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 20322@debbugs.gnu.org To: Dmitry Gutov Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Apr 22 18:48:16 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Ykxor-00043J-LI for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 22 Apr 2015 18:48:13 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:36149 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Ykxor-00072X-3u for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 22 Apr 2015 12:48:13 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:36814) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Ykxom-00072C-1R for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 22 Apr 2015 12:48:09 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Ykxog-0000nD-UP for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 22 Apr 2015 12:48:07 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:46933) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Ykxog-0000n5-Qu for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 22 Apr 2015 12:48:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Ykxog-0004ZC-An for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 22 Apr 2015 12:48:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Stefan Monnier Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2015 16:48:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 20322 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 20322-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B20322.142972125017510 (code B ref 20322); Wed, 22 Apr 2015 16:48:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 20322) by debbugs.gnu.org; 22 Apr 2015 16:47:30 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:36709 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1YkxoA-0004YM-GC for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 22 Apr 2015 12:47:30 -0400 Original-Received: from pruche.dit.umontreal.ca ([132.204.246.22]:41088) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Ykxo8-0004YC-GT for 20322@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 22 Apr 2015 12:47:29 -0400 Original-Received: from pastel.home (lechon.iro.umontreal.ca [132.204.27.242]) by pruche.dit.umontreal.ca (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id t3MGlPJ7020895; Wed, 22 Apr 2015 12:47:26 -0400 Original-Received: by pastel.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id C25A933E7; Wed, 22 Apr 2015 12:47:25 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <5537B742.3050600@yandex.ru> (Dmitry Gutov's message of "Wed, 22 Apr 2015 17:59:14 +0300") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-NAI-Spam-Flag: NO X-NAI-Spam-Threshold: 5 X-NAI-Spam-Score: 0 X-NAI-Spam-Rules: 1 Rules triggered RV5284=0 X-NAI-Spam-Version: 2.3.0.9393 : core <5284> : inlines <2779> : streams <1426796> : uri <1913142> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:101880 Archived-At: >> IOW it is pure inertia. *Very* few people would come a thank us for the >> change, but many more will complaint. > But we'd have the same problem if we change the value in specific modes Fundamentally, yes, but the number of people will be affected. If the number of people who will be annoyed is small enough (e.g. because it's a mode that's rarely used, or because most users will be happy about the change), then it's OK. > of the modes where it's changed), but the affected people would be more > annoyed, because changing it back will be more complicated for them. I don't buy the "more complicated" argument. There are circumstances where it will be marginally more complicated but in any case (add-hook 'foo-mode-hook (lambda () (setq indent-tabs-mode ))) is the recommended way to set it and that will work just fine. Remember: TAB-vs-SPC is like arguing about which primer we should use before painting the bikeshed. Any gain will be minuscule, so the pain has to be correspondingly minuscule. Stefan