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From: Stefan Monnier via "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" <bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
To: Heime <heimeborgia@protonmail.com>
Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>, 65459@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: bug#65459: completing-read INITIAL-VALUE unaware of COLLECTION and REQUIRE-MATCH
Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2023 17:27:56 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <jwvedjt78ti.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <b1bTYvprIGDrU8iKzoUE-JcUPusjV8zhTc34hcSS6CksX1VYMyHUTBQPX_XtjjE973BcbpdA8acOLsTUuSNV3ilEwtM9ZaRj25lzp7am7NM=@protonmail.com> (Heime's message of "Wed, 23 Aug 2023 18:12:22 +0000")

>> The normal/recommended call looks like:
>> 
>> (let ((cseq '("alpha" "beta" "gamma" "delta" "epsilon" "zeta" "eta")))
>> (completing-read (format-prompt "Grapheme" "alpha")
>> cseq nil t nil nil "alpha"))
>> 
>> [ Yes, it's a bit cumbersome: hysterical raisins :-( ] - Stefan
>
> Correct.  The solution involves an unwieldy parameter configurations, and possibly
> using convoluted workarounds to achieve the desired behavior.  This scenario implies
> that using the function as intended requires a level of effort, understanding, and
> manipulation that goes beyond direct usage.

Agreed.  That argues in favor of introducing a new function.  But that
new function would be so similar to `completing-read` that it will lead
to users wondering when to use which or why there are two unless we mark
`completing-read` as obsolete, which would in turn cause a lot of
warnings in a lot of packages and code churn.

So, we've been hesitating to make this change for a while, not sure
which choice is least bad.

But at this point do you consider the behavior of

    (let ((cseq '("alpha" "beta" "gamma" "delta" "epsilon" "zeta" "eta")))
      (completing-read (format-prompt "Grapheme" "alpha")
                       cseq nil t nil nil "alpha"))

to be a good solution for your original problem?

[ BTW, to me the main benefit of a new function is that we could try
  and make it so that the user can choose between a UI where the default
  is not inserted in the initial minibuffer (as in the above code), or
  one where it is (presumably pre-selected so you can delete it with
  a simple DEL), as is common in many other applications.  ]


        Stefan






  reply	other threads:[~2023-08-23 21:27 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 54+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-08-22 22:04 bug#65459: completing-read INITIAL-VALUE unaware of COLLECTION and REQUIRE-MATCH Heime via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-08-23 11:29 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-08-23 11:57   ` Heime via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-08-23 13:07     ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-08-23 15:29       ` Heime via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-08-23 16:05         ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-08-23 16:39           ` Heime via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-08-23 16:58             ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-08-23 18:12               ` Heime via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-08-23 21:27                 ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors [this message]
2023-08-23 22:44                   ` Drew Adams
2023-08-23 23:06                   ` Gregory Heytings
2023-08-24  2:30                     ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-08-24 12:30                       ` Gregory Heytings
2023-08-24 13:19                         ` Heime via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-08-25  6:59                           ` Juri Linkov
2023-08-24 13:46                         ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-08-26  8:06                           ` Gregory Heytings
2023-08-31  9:42                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-09-04 21:35                             ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-09-04 22:16                               ` Stefan Kangas
2023-09-05 11:05                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-09-05 12:59                                 ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-09-05 13:14                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-08-24  9:02                   ` Heime via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-08-24 13:36                     ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-08-24 14:51                       ` Heime via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-08-24 16:45                         ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-08-24 18:50                           ` Heime via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-08-24 19:35                             ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-08-24 20:22                               ` Heime via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-08-24 21:02                                 ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-08-24 21:45                                   ` Heime via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-08-26  8:10                                   ` Gregory Heytings
2023-08-26 14:27                                     ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-08-27  6:45                                       ` Heime via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-08-27 14:40                                         ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-08-27 16:21                                           ` Heime via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-08-27 16:26                                             ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-08-27 16:35                                               ` Heime via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-08-27 18:01                                                 ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-08-27 21:11                                                   ` Heime via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-08-27 21:48                                                     ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-08-27 22:59                                                       ` Heime via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-08-28  3:12                                                         ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-08-28  9:14                                                           ` Heime via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-08-28 12:44                                                             ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-08-28 12:50                                                               ` Heime via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-08-28 13:04                                                                 ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-08-28 13:13                                                                   ` Heime via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-08-27 16:42                                               ` Heime via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-08-27 18:02                                                 ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-08-27 20:54                                                   ` Heime via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-08-27 21:26                                                   ` Heime via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors

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