From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier via "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#66750: Unhelpful text in C-h v for variables with a lambda form as value Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2023 23:20:36 -0400 Message-ID: References: <83il6k8yyd.fsf@gnu.org> <837cn08o13.fsf@gnu.org> <831qd88dt5.fsf@gnu.org> Reply-To: Stefan Monnier Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="19350"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Cc: acorallo@gnu.org, Eli Zaretskii , 66750@debbugs.gnu.org, Stefan Kangas To: Alan Mackenzie Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Nov 03 04:21:40 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1qykkd-0004uD-Ig for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 03 Nov 2023 04:21:39 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qykkS-0001XY-IA; Thu, 02 Nov 2023 23:21:28 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qykkQ-0001We-Vc for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 02 Nov 2023 23:21:27 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:5::43]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qykkQ-0005qf-Mz for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 02 Nov 2023 23:21:26 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1qykkz-0003Wp-P3 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 02 Nov 2023 23:22:01 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Stefan Monnier Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2023 03:22:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 66750 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 66750-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B66750.169898168213499 (code B ref 66750); Fri, 03 Nov 2023 03:22:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 66750) by debbugs.gnu.org; 3 Nov 2023 03:21:22 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56565 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1qykkL-0003Ve-Q9 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 02 Nov 2023 23:21:22 -0400 Original-Received: from mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca ([132.204.25.50]:18344) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1qykkJ-0003VQ-6W for 66750@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 02 Nov 2023 23:21:21 -0400 Original-Received: from pmg1.iro.umontreal.ca (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pmg1.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 46D61100068; Thu, 2 Nov 2023 23:20:38 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=iro.umontreal.ca; s=mail; t=1698981637; bh=nlktilgYIT8fUdtC4lOFqMB+MmyBpmTQet/uzUUXpos=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Date:From; b=Waj2YQp4hbjz2S9kOwKmwVN3Y3+/b6r2agvMPxhf8yxQEG2iv/dDM6G/1RHXERwO5 bzJrjr3sx//Kuz2mMlvZFmkTro17ng5LtivcIkY0Kg16fq22H6wIXSbcVqyxrJuT7m +RF44l1wzHhMkc08dzvfQ74WPR5vCVDD1tM6sMe1aUo+g/NHnqz7H3VAyM87cRMWky zbWWVHHXMUWbxmvqhRVdbz3eRR63+z6+hX1nvc2X5aWI9L54TwwS9JCS2kYSiu3Fy5 sV3vn2wwEq1RHCKp+LO3Hxr84NEG972J72Gc55+QdcOVv2eQ9ImZP8IUq5jUFsrk3b HCdBuC7/WIdlg== Original-Received: from mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (unknown [172.31.2.1]) by pmg1.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id A7087100043; Thu, 2 Nov 2023 23:20:37 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: from pastel (unknown [45.72.195.71]) by mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 7397C1200D7; Thu, 2 Nov 2023 23:20:37 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: (Alan Mackenzie's message of "Thu, 2 Nov 2023 22:24:41 +0000") X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:273691 Archived-At: > How do you feel about this, Stefan (M.)? Seems like it would leave `lambda` as well as the closure objects unchanged, so it looks good to me. The one thing I'd point out is: try to pick a format for the "data in docstring" that is easily/naturally extensible (contrary to what I did for the arglists), so that when we get around to adding support for things like debugging info we could add it there without having to invent a new format. Stefan