From: Stefan Monnier via "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" <bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
To: Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de>
Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>, 74339@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: bug#74339: 30.0.92; CC Mode stomps C TS Mode
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2024 15:45:46 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <jwved3cqm54.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Zzek-8RzhDQb5Bb5@MAC.fritz.box> (Alan Mackenzie's message of "Fri, 15 Nov 2024 19:46:03 +0000")
> Here is a section of a test file sent to bug-cc-mode some while ago:
>
> /*
> ** Local Variables:
> ** mode:c
> ** indent-tabs-mode:nil
> ** c-basic-offset:4
> ** End:
> */
>
> Here it is evident that by "mode:c" the OP means C Mode, not whatever
> random mode happens to have taken the symbol `c-mode'.
It is evident that the OP means CC-mode's C Mode because the bug report
is sent to `bug-cc-mode`, indeed.
But that doesn't mean these file-local settings intend to impose the use
of CC-mode to those users who prefer `c-ts-mode`.
>> Actually, no: `major-mode-remap-*` can also remap `c-ts-mode` to some
>> other mode, such as `c-mode`.
> Maybe I should have said "regardless of any non-crazy settings".
If something is "crazy" here it would be using a `mode: c-ts` cookie.
Adding such entries to `major-mode-remap-*` would just be the sane way
to work around that "crazy" part. 🙂
>> If you really insist, we can add
>> (add-to-list 'major-mode-remap-defaults '(c-ts-mode . c-mode))
>> (add-to-list 'major-mode-remap-defaults '(c++-ts-mode . c++-mode))
>> to your `cc-mode.el` together with corresponding removals in
>> `c-ts-mode.el`, even though in my book file-local settings of
>> `mode: c-ts-mode` in non-personal files are just bugs.
> The problem is that entries in major-mode-remap-defaults (and the other
> one) do not accurately represent user preferences.
Entries in `major-mode-remap-defaults` indeed do not reflect
a user preference, just a "circumstantial" preference.
[ Ideally, they shouldn't be set just by loading a file (whether
`cc-mode.el` or `c-ts-mode.el`). But after a long protracted
discussion the Emacs maintainers decided that it was the least bad
choice in Emacs-29. This may be revisited in the future, e.g. for
Emacs-31, but AFAICT it's too late to make such a change in
Emacs-30. ]
But entries in `major-mode-remap-alist` very much reflect a user preference.
> As a value for mode: in C files, we need three distinct settings: for
> C Mode, for c-ts-mode, and for any mode which handles C.
If someone sends me a file which says `mode: c-ts`, I will complain
and so should anyone else. Whether you edit it with `c-mode` or with
`c-ts-mode` is not the file's business.
>> It is supposed to opt-in, indeed.
> So, for a user trying out Emacs 30, with a desktop file containing at
> least one file with major mode c-ts-mode; visiting a file with the above
> Local Variables section will indeed start the buffer with C Mode?
If you see a file that stipulates `c-ts-mode`, complain to the
file's author, not to us.
> I haven't looked just yet, but can I assume there's a recipe in the
> Emacs 30 NEWS file telling users how to switch between old behaviour
> (-*- c -*- always means C mode) and new behaviour (-*- c -*- can mean
> c-ts-mode depending on other settings)?
If anything, Emacs-30 makes it easier than Emacs-29:
(add-to-list 'major-mode-remap-alist '(c-mode))
In Emacs-29, you had to go and undo the mess in `auto-mode-alist`.
Stefan
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2024-11-13 14:00 bug#74339: 30.0.92; CC Mode stomps C TS Mode Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-13 15:13 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-13 18:58 ` Alan Mackenzie
2024-11-13 20:13 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-13 22:34 ` Alan Mackenzie
2024-11-13 22:57 ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-11-14 6:59 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-14 9:24 ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-11-14 10:05 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-16 20:54 ` Andrea Corallo
2024-11-14 15:51 ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-11-14 16:29 ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-11-14 16:49 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-14 17:16 ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-11-14 19:10 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-14 19:45 ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-11-14 16:20 ` Alan Mackenzie
2024-11-14 16:59 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-14 17:45 ` Alan Mackenzie
2024-11-14 17:52 ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-11-14 19:23 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-14 19:53 ` Alan Mackenzie
2024-11-14 20:21 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-14 20:38 ` Alan Mackenzie
2024-11-14 21:06 ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-11-14 21:26 ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-11-15 8:17 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-15 16:17 ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-11-15 8:13 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-15 7:33 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-15 13:04 ` Alan Mackenzie
2024-11-15 14:43 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-15 17:58 ` Alan Mackenzie
2024-11-15 19:01 ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-11-15 19:46 ` Alan Mackenzie
2024-11-15 20:45 ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors [this message]
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2024-11-16 21:56 ` Alan Mackenzie
2024-11-17 6:31 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-16 9:52 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-15 18:57 ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-11-21 7:57 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-21 13:57 ` Alan Mackenzie
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2024-11-24 5:27 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-25 1:16 ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-11-25 12:11 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-25 23:40 ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-11-26 14:26 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-26 22:06 ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-11-27 3:28 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-27 12:34 ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-11-28 14:56 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-24 15:37 ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-11-24 16:01 ` Christopher Dimech via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-11-24 16:30 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-24 16:27 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-24 16:47 ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-11-25 0:57 ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-11-24 4:35 ` Richard Stallman
2024-11-24 7:41 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-14 17:29 ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
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2024-11-15 16:12 ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-11-16 20:51 ` Andrea Corallo
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