From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#9653: 24.0.50; `ucs-names' - Why all of the ("" . XXX) entries? Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2011 08:40:13 -0400 Message-ID: References: <74B14D2A03144E798C9415172D5FE01A@us.oracle.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1317818481 27577 80.91.229.12 (5 Oct 2011 12:41:21 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 12:41:21 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 9653@debbugs.gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Oct 05 14:41:17 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RBQmj-0005HG-8V for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 05 Oct 2011 14:41:17 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:59076 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RBQmi-0005rY-Ol for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 05 Oct 2011 08:41:16 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:34838) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RBQmb-0005rF-Am for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 05 Oct 2011 08:41:14 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RBQmT-0002aD-EF for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 05 Oct 2011 08:41:09 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:49721) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RBQmT-0002a1-CQ for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 05 Oct 2011 08:41:01 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RBQmV-0002dH-Nd for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 05 Oct 2011 08:41:03 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Stefan Monnier Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2011 12:41:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 9653 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 9653-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B9653.131781842510071 (code B ref 9653); Wed, 05 Oct 2011 12:41:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 9653) by debbugs.gnu.org; 5 Oct 2011 12:40:25 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RBQls-0002cN-Ve for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 05 Oct 2011 08:40:25 -0400 Original-Received: from ironport2-out.teksavvy.com ([206.248.154.183] helo=ironport2-out.pppoe.ca) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RBQlq-0002c6-M6 for 9653@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 05 Oct 2011 08:40:23 -0400 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Av0EADRPjE7O+JxS/2dsb2JhbABCqBCBBoFTAQEEAVYjBQsLNBIUGA0kiBC2eIcpBKEJhEQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.68,491,1312171200"; d="scan'208";a="140011663" Original-Received: from 206-248-156-82.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO pastel.home) ([206.248.156.82]) by ironport2-out.pppoe.ca with ESMTP/TLS/ADH-AES256-SHA; 05 Oct 2011 08:40:14 -0400 Original-Received: by pastel.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id A88F558D7E; Wed, 5 Oct 2011 08:40:13 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Wed, 05 Oct 2011 06:20:35 -0400") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.90 (gnu/linux) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Resent-Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2011 08:41:03 -0400 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 1) X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:52211 Archived-At: >> I'll repeat that when one want to know what Unicode says about the >> name of a character, the answer is "", not "". > Correct. Doesn't matter. The point is that it's easier to turn nil into something else (e.g. "") than to turn "" into something else (e.g. nil). >> I'm not sure because there are multiple use-cases of >> get-char-code-property, and nil is better only in some of them. >> But, it's just "I'm not sure". If you are sure, as I wrote above, >> I'll change it back. I'm sure. > what-cursor-position etc., where we will now need to display an empty > string when we get nil. Big deal: that's just an (or ... ""). And in any case no matter what the standard says, I'm pretty sure end users would prefer to be told explicitly that a char doesn't have a name rather than to see an empty field and wonder what that means. Stefan