From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier via "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#54399: 27.2; Problems with (let ((custom-variable ...)) (autoload-function ...)) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2022 09:18:03 -0400 Message-ID: References: <87sfrgu8ju.fsf@gnus.org> <875yocm7n6.fsf@web.de> <87czijr4gj.fsf@gnus.org> Reply-To: Stefan Monnier Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="26626"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: Michael Heerdegen , Lars Ingebrigtsen , 54399@debbugs.gnu.org To: Ignacio Casso Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Apr 12 15:19:18 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1neGQQ-0006ji-Co for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 12 Apr 2022 15:19:18 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:56238 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1neGQP-0000BM-0b for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 12 Apr 2022 09:19:17 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:60332) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1neGQA-00007P-Qc for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 12 Apr 2022 09:19:02 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:54109) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1neGQA-0006KG-Hb for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 12 Apr 2022 09:19:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1neGQA-0000qm-Cl for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 12 Apr 2022 09:19:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Stefan Monnier Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2022 13:19:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 54399 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: moreinfo Original-Received: via spool by 54399-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B54399.16497694933186 (code B ref 54399); Tue, 12 Apr 2022 13:19:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 54399) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Apr 2022 13:18:13 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:48006 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1neGPN-0000pJ-H7 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 12 Apr 2022 09:18:13 -0400 Original-Received: from mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca ([132.204.25.50]:5198) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1neGPL-0000p7-Tj for 54399@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 12 Apr 2022 09:18:12 -0400 Original-Received: from pmg3.iro.umontreal.ca (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pmg3.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 3451B4408C6; Tue, 12 Apr 2022 09:18:06 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: from mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (unknown [172.31.2.1]) by pmg3.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id C73A844091C; Tue, 12 Apr 2022 09:18:04 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=iro.umontreal.ca; s=mail; t=1649769484; bh=worZ3IguDfeibsY6/NAWQm4RxcLKMq1k/3HFRM0voRA=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=OlOWI/GBhrFLUjqPoJnADeg7Ul1PRwi8vEKh7A8gAqFvCODceP5xUFj3HBInc+Zus hZbFHHideweC2Y3hQW/5T9L8kyj63vAn4X98equuUib6EN57p7tw5Xh9X3UvfzQhTh hlazhG3VhEuy6LE7RLzkODI4mXUCC9Tt3UMQ3knZnIjV/FaDB5aOlo7Y5PbwNEsSm+ YJrnszWzF7s8U1VR+1UIPxvAmoKaW42lsqxW4yAtkntm2EHMxN0/hOvmcdob4zVfpN JYh6oOLTXODoXJiPcGlZ3lrbVRJx0Fw6ZEC1ULzeDJ/RaknzuJv4Qy37LjGWcBoLaK YSsmW996ao+8w== Original-Received: from pastel (unknown [45.72.221.51]) by mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 8DE8E12014C; Tue, 12 Apr 2022 09:18:04 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: (Ignacio Casso's message of "Fri, 18 Mar 2022 10:38:45 +0100") X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:229758 Archived-At: > (setq lexical-binding nil) > (let ((another-fresh-var 1)) > (default-boundp 'another-fresh-var)) ;; I expect nil, it returns t This means you misunderstand dynamic scoping or the meaning of "default-" in `default-boundp` (it has nothing to do with let bindings but is only concerned about buffer-local or not). If you disregard lexical scoping, there are kinda to dimensions to locality of variables: there's the "let" locality and there's the "buffer" locality. They can be combined. `default-boundp/set-default` only differ from `boundp/set` on the "buffer" dimension of locality. Lexical scoping is yet a different beast because lexical variables have fundamentally no name, so a lexical binding of variable `foo` has no relation to what `boundp/set` see when passed `foo` as argument. Stefan