From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#16196: 24.3.50; Disable ding when scrolling Date: Fri, 03 Jan 2014 17:57:22 -0500 Message-ID: References: <25C13650-058F-45CC-A961-D789709B1179@swipnet.se> <83d2krc34d.fsf@gnu.org> <29609060-51EE-4D80-9D96-90CABE6A6844@swipnet.se> <834n63bxxb.fsf@gnu.org> <146154A1-1747-40BE-BE17-7DF4FB5DE808@swipnet.se> <831u17bdfy.fsf@gnu.org> <83y53f9s6t.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1388789896 6561 80.91.229.3 (3 Jan 2014 22:58:16 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2014 22:58:16 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 16196@debbugs.gnu.org To: Jan =?UTF-8?Q?Dj=C3=A4rv?= Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Jan 03 23:58:21 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1VzDh6-0003YB-Np for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 03 Jan 2014 23:58:20 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:52056 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VzDh6-00067z-D0 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 03 Jan 2014 17:58:20 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:44528) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VzDgv-00067S-Tx for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 03 Jan 2014 17:58:17 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VzDgo-0004w0-Jm for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 03 Jan 2014 17:58:09 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:46657) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VzDgo-0004vv-G6 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 03 Jan 2014 17:58:02 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VzDgo-0005yL-3E for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 03 Jan 2014 17:58:02 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Stefan Monnier Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 03 Jan 2014 22:58:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 16196 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 16196-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B16196.138878984522899 (code B ref 16196); Fri, 03 Jan 2014 22:58:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 16196) by debbugs.gnu.org; 3 Jan 2014 22:57:25 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60676 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VzDgD-0005xH-1K for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 03 Jan 2014 17:57:25 -0500 Original-Received: from ironport2-out.teksavvy.com ([206.248.154.181]:30578) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VzDgB-0005xA-QJ for 16196@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 03 Jan 2014 17:57:24 -0500 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Av8EABK/CFG4rwsm/2dsb2JhbABEuzWDWRdzgh4BAQQBViMFCws0EhQYDSSIHgbBLZEKA4hhnBmBXoMV X-IPAS-Result: Av8EABK/CFG4rwsm/2dsb2JhbABEuzWDWRdzgh4BAQQBViMFCws0EhQYDSSIHgbBLZEKA4hhnBmBXoMV X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.84,565,1355115600"; d="scan'208";a="43928371" Original-Received: from 184-175-11-38.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO pastel.home) ([184.175.11.38]) by ironport2-out.teksavvy.com with ESMTP/TLS/ADH-AES256-SHA; 03 Jan 2014 17:57:22 -0500 Original-Received: by pastel.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id BC0EB6013A; Fri, 3 Jan 2014 17:57:22 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: ("Jan =?UTF-8?Q?Dj=C3=A4rv?="'s message of "Mon, 23 Dec 2013 11:44:52 +0100") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3.50 (gnu/linux) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:82878 Archived-At: >> I'm not opposed to such an option, but I'm not convinced that changing >> the default behavior is a good idea: the general design of Emacs is that >> we strive to make every command perform *something*, so when the user's >> request ends up doing nothing, we signal an error to make it clear that >> Emacs did obey the request. Otherwise the lack of feedback can make the >> user feel like Emacs is unresponsive. > The main use case here is "flinging" with a trackpad. In that case, Emacs > already responds by scrolling up/down to the top/bottom. It is after Emacs > has hit top/bottom that the "extra" beeps occur. But if you're at EOB and you scroll with the wheel to try and go "even further", if Emacs doesn't (ding), then it does nothing: lack of feedback. > If already at the top/bottom, the normal thing for OSX apps is to > "bounce" a bit to show that the display is already at the top/bottom. If at > the top, the whole page is moved a bit downwards and then bounces back. > This is not common in X, so not really appropriate for Emacs. Right, instead we (ding). Stefan