From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#15117: 24.3.50; doc of `(forward|backward)-*': state return value Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2014 23:01:56 -0500 Message-ID: References: <1dc76f7a-5481-41df-b976-ec22229d7283@default> <874n4a42f0.fsf@building.gnus.org> <1281d0fd-77cb-45e2-b99d-f4ad24b0fc4e@default> <2fefcbaf-9417-4f57-93af-490ea73aea98@default> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1392091395 22027 80.91.229.3 (11 Feb 2014 04:03:15 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2014 04:03:15 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 15117@debbugs.gnu.org, Lars Ingebrigtsen To: Drew Adams Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Feb 11 05:03:22 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1WD4Z7-0008Ah-1M for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 11 Feb 2014 05:03:21 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:59333 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WD4Z6-0006zD-Hn for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 10 Feb 2014 23:03:20 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:41079) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WD4Yw-0006yz-S3 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 10 Feb 2014 23:03:18 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WD4Yo-0004oK-F6 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 10 Feb 2014 23:03:10 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:34409) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WD4Yo-0004oG-Bm for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 10 Feb 2014 23:03:02 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WD4Yo-000265-4y for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 10 Feb 2014 23:03:02 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Stefan Monnier Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2014 04:03:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 15117 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: wontfix Original-Received: via spool by 15117-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B15117.13920913257985 (code B ref 15117); Tue, 11 Feb 2014 04:03:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 15117) by debbugs.gnu.org; 11 Feb 2014 04:02:05 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42302 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WD4Xs-00024i-JM for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 10 Feb 2014 23:02:04 -0500 Original-Received: from ironport2-out.teksavvy.com ([206.248.154.181]:52198) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WD4Xq-00024E-E8 for 15117@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 10 Feb 2014 23:02:02 -0500 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Av8EABK/CFFFpZGC/2dsb2JhbABEuzWDWRdzgh4BAQQBViMFCws0EhQYDSSIHgbBLY4uglwDiGGcGYFegmor X-IPAS-Result: Av8EABK/CFFFpZGC/2dsb2JhbABEuzWDWRdzgh4BAQQBViMFCws0EhQYDSSIHgbBLY4uglwDiGGcGYFegmor X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.84,565,1355115600"; d="scan'208";a="47261265" Original-Received: from 69-165-145-130.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO pastel.home) ([69.165.145.130]) by ironport2-out.teksavvy.com with ESMTP/TLS/ADH-AES256-SHA; 10 Feb 2014 23:01:56 -0500 Original-Received: by pastel.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 6DB2A60825; Mon, 10 Feb 2014 23:01:56 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: <2fefcbaf-9417-4f57-93af-490ea73aea98@default> (Drew Adams's message of "Mon, 10 Feb 2014 13:16:27 -0800 (PST)") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3.50 (gnu/linux) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:85354 Archived-At: >> > These are NOT side-effect functions. They modify nothing except >> > the cursor position. >> How is that not a side-effect? > You are clearly arguing for the sake of arguing, now. Not at all. > Motion functions are not what is typically meant by a side-effect > function. Says you. For me (and most definitions of side-effects I've ever seen), a side-effecting function is something like a function where the calls can't simply be replaced by their return value. Stefan