From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#18077: 24.4.50; Info-quoted face should inherit default Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2014 19:23:30 -0400 Message-ID: References: <8761ipn711.fsf@lunaryorn.fritz.box> <9C6E94EB-5A94-49E6-BCE4-A08FCB6830A6@lunaryorn.com> <1D8FB3F1-0916-4C33-8C9D-A9C91774682D@lunaryorn.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1406503470 20810 80.91.229.3 (27 Jul 2014 23:24:30 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2014 23:24:30 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 18077@debbugs.gnu.org To: Sebastian Wiesner Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Jul 28 01:24:22 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1XBXni-0002gb-Dh for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 28 Jul 2014 01:24:22 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:36670 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XBXnh-0002aY-R9 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 27 Jul 2014 19:24:21 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:39885) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XBXnW-0002ZV-VY for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 27 Jul 2014 19:24:18 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XBXnP-00062f-Ex for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 27 Jul 2014 19:24:10 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:44437) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XBXnP-00062Z-Bu for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 27 Jul 2014 19:24:03 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1XBXnO-0004fa-Kn for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 27 Jul 2014 19:24:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Stefan Monnier Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2014 23:24:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 18077 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 18077-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B18077.140650341717919 (code B ref 18077); Sun, 27 Jul 2014 23:24:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 18077) by debbugs.gnu.org; 27 Jul 2014 23:23:37 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39703 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1XBXmy-0004ex-VW for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 27 Jul 2014 19:23:37 -0400 Original-Received: from smtp-pri-02-2.vtxnet.net ([212.147.62.156]:34023 helo=smtp-pri-02.vtxnet.net) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1XBXmv-0004ek-Tt for 18077@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 27 Jul 2014 19:23:34 -0400 Original-Received: from fmsmemgm.homelinux.net (dyn.83-228-141-040.dsl.vtx.ch [83.228.141.40]) by smtp-pri-02.vtxnet.net (VTX Services SA) with ESMTP id 6748B37DCD9; Mon, 28 Jul 2014 01:23:32 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: by fmsmemgm.homelinux.net (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 79583AE1BC; Sun, 27 Jul 2014 19:23:30 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: (Sebastian Wiesner's message of "Sun, 27 Jul 2014 22:04:22 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.4.50 (gnu/linux) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:91857 Archived-At: >> The expectations of someone reading online documentation. Most online >> documentation I can find don't use bold, italics, or colors to >> distinguish "technical elements" like those that usually appear in >> Info-quoted face. > Such documentation also uses proportional fonts for standard body text. Indeed. But currently, we can't do that very well because refilling Info text is between hard and impossible (there would be other hurdles, but that's the most immediate one). > How am I supposed to know what fonts are available on arbitrary systems? You don't need to know that. You just need to know what alternative fonts are available on the system where you bumped into the problem. > I can only say that on my Linux system there are various other fonts > available. Liberation Mono would probably be the one that is closest > to Courier. Great, thanks. I see my (xft, scalable) "courier" here on my Debian machines is coming from the "foundry" "ibm", but I don't really know how to further track its origin (e.g. which package it comes from). > But whether that font is widely installed, I do not know. Doesn't matter: face-font-family-alternatives is designed specifically to overcome those problems. E.g. we should probably change Info-quoted to use family "monospace-serif" and then add an entry to face-font-family-alternatives like ("monospace-serif" "Liberation Mono" "courier" "CMU Typewriter Text" "fixed"). Stefan