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From: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
To: Gregory Heytings <gregory@heytings.org>
Cc: Dario Gjorgjevski <dario.gjorgjevski@gmail.com>,
	45474@debbugs.gnu.org, Juri Linkov <juri@linkov.net>
Subject: bug#45474: Icomplete exhibiting in recursive minibuffer when it shouldn’t
Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2021 17:54:30 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <jwvbla44qoy.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <f2b9666c4a0baa3a67e2@heytings.org> (Gregory Heytings's message of "Fri, 23 Apr 2021 21:36:31 +0000")

>>> Indeed, but... it doesn't help/incite them to move forward in the "right"
>>> direction, to finally have what has been on wishlist for quite a long
>>> time: to have buffer-local minibuffer-completion-* elements...
>> It helps by showing how to do it.  I haven't seen any proposal here which
>> helps further than that (except maybe for some proposals which might break
>> such code, thus inciting them to use a better approach ;-).
> I believe that creating an optional behavior that is easy to use, and
> stating that that behavior will become mandatory in the next major Emacs
> release, is a stronger incentive.

We could add some "break old code" option, indeed.
I think we can do that with pretty much all the proposed patches.
We could also add a "warn when detecting old code" option; again
I suspect that this can be done with most of the proposed patches so far.
So, it's rather orthogonal to the choice of which approach is preferable.

>>> But when the let-bindings are in a macro the caller doesn't have to care
>>> with them, and they are indeed happening as close as possible to
>>> internal-read-from-minibuffer.
>> AFAICT you're talking about the let-bindings of `minibuffer-local-*`
>> whereas the problematic let-bindings are those of
>> `minibuffer-completion-*` and those are outside of `read-from-minibuffer`.
> Aren't these problems orthogonal to the problem at hand?  It seems to me
> that this is not different from the traditional way of passing arguments to
> a function; of course something unexpected can happen when they are
> evaluated, before the function is entered, but that's something outside the
> responsibility of the function.

No, the problem is not "can someone change `minibuffer-completion-table`
before we get to its intended consumer" but "will the let-binding of
`minibuffer-completion-table` also affect code which was not the
intended consumer".
This problem does not exist with traditional/explicit argument passing.

> My aim here was to (help to) fix the nine years old "FIXME:
> `minibuffer-completion-table' should be buffer-local instead."  What would
> you do to fix it, in an ideal world in which backward compatibility is not
> an issue?

The patch I sent does just that.


        Stefan






  reply	other threads:[~2021-04-23 21:54 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 64+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-12-27 17:44 bug#45474: Icomplete exhibiting in recursive minibuffer when it shouldn’t Dario Gjorgjevski
2021-04-15 17:40 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-04-15 21:11   ` Juri Linkov
2021-04-15 22:34     ` Gregory Heytings
2021-04-16  0:03       ` Gregory Heytings
2021-04-16 16:34         ` Juri Linkov
2021-04-16 16:55           ` Gregory Heytings
2021-04-17 20:49             ` Juri Linkov
2021-04-17 21:35               ` Gregory Heytings
2021-04-17 21:58                 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-04-17 22:16                   ` Gregory Heytings
2021-04-18 14:44                     ` Stefan Monnier
2021-04-18 22:23                       ` Gregory Heytings
2021-04-19  1:26                         ` Stefan Monnier
2021-04-19 12:14                           ` Gregory Heytings
2021-04-19 15:57                             ` Stefan Monnier
2021-04-19 20:20                               ` Gregory Heytings
2021-04-17 23:21                   ` bug#45474: [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-04-18  3:59                     ` Stefan Monnier
2021-04-18  4:04                       ` Drew Adams
2021-04-18  5:08                         ` Stefan Monnier
2021-04-18 15:42                           ` Drew Adams
2021-04-18 18:35                             ` Stefan Monnier
2021-04-18 20:11                               ` Drew Adams
2021-04-18 20:53                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-04-18 23:46                                   ` Drew Adams
2021-04-22 15:03                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2021-04-19 18:16                   ` Juri Linkov
2021-04-19 21:42                     ` Stefan Monnier
2021-04-20 19:00                       ` Gregory Heytings
2021-04-22 13:56                         ` Stefan Monnier
2021-04-22 14:08                           ` Gregory Heytings
2021-04-20 19:01                       ` Juri Linkov
2021-04-22 13:54                         ` Stefan Monnier
2021-04-22 14:13                           ` Stefan Monnier
2021-04-22 14:18                             ` Gregory Heytings
2021-04-22 15:18                               ` Gregory Heytings
2021-04-22 18:36                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-04-22 19:04                                   ` Gregory Heytings
2021-04-22 19:59                                     ` Gregory Heytings
2021-04-22 20:57                                       ` Gregory Heytings
2021-04-22 23:24                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2021-04-23  6:06                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-04-23 13:12                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2021-04-23 13:19                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-04-23 15:18                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2021-04-23 17:37                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-04-23  6:59                                       ` Gregory Heytings
2021-04-23 13:21                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2021-04-23 13:45                                           ` Gregory Heytings
2021-04-23 15:35                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2021-04-23 15:58                                               ` Gregory Heytings
2021-04-23 16:36                                                 ` Juri Linkov
2021-04-23 16:55                                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-04-23 18:13                                                   ` Gregory Heytings
2021-04-23 20:24                                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2021-04-23 21:36                                                       ` Gregory Heytings
2021-04-23 21:54                                                         ` Stefan Monnier [this message]
2021-04-24  8:44                                                           ` Gregory Heytings
2021-05-01 19:34                                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2021-05-03  8:40                                                               ` Gregory Heytings
2022-06-07 12:04                                                                 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-04-22 21:57                             ` Juri Linkov
2021-04-23 15:53                               ` Stefan Monnier

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