From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#1305: All code that currently beeps should use visual bell instead Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2021 17:03:54 -0400 Message-ID: References: <87blabpy54.fsf@gnus.org> <87lf9eo3mq.fsf@gnus.org> <0d7924a2-d09f-e2d0-f0e7-6b5ee3a7a7f2@yandex.ru> <192e82f20f5deb690394@heytings.org> <87zgxmjkr9.fsf@gnus.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="14564"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: Alan Third , 1305@debbugs.gnu.org, Michael Welsh Duggan , Stefan Kangas , Gregory Heytings , jasonspiro4@gmail.com, Dmitry Gutov To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Apr 25 23:05:21 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1lalwO-0003fu-L1 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 25 Apr 2021 23:05:20 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:60824 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lalwN-00023E-Ld for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 25 Apr 2021 17:05:19 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:49144) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lalw6-000224-Dt for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 25 Apr 2021 17:05:05 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:60620) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lalw6-0005eB-6h for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 25 Apr 2021 17:05:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lalw6-0007jm-1J for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 25 Apr 2021 17:05:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Stefan Monnier Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2021 21:05:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 1305 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 1305-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B1305.161938464529645 (code B ref 1305); Sun, 25 Apr 2021 21:05:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 1305) by debbugs.gnu.org; 25 Apr 2021 21:04:05 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43927 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lalvA-0007i5-VA for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 25 Apr 2021 17:04:05 -0400 Original-Received: from mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca ([132.204.25.50]:23947) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lalv9-0007hc-H3 for 1305@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 25 Apr 2021 17:04:04 -0400 Original-Received: from pmg1.iro.umontreal.ca (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pmg1.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id F0A15100222; Sun, 25 Apr 2021 17:03:57 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: from mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (unknown [172.31.2.1]) by pmg1.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 84B821001FE; Sun, 25 Apr 2021 17:03:56 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=iro.umontreal.ca; s=mail; t=1619384636; bh=6tIuCYzmebAsvFyO/0DBiaE+7WQtR9/cdivLozgzD1A=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=ayFBkmsa2b20aHiq7mrBeI07fzMRSQCABlpAFi+O1aX7zkYKghYYFT8fvu9Ax79aW CI5taYBta0wJedEo4r727nDVPXwTxho9POysLp8Yax4aVt9F9OhskEp8cOEheB4qQV zu0vNXJ8eYv+7JZ0IBlGrtUtVw0eh3gLuS1YPrqgUURS9LN2GvlXM6pskYHtgqAl4E vJ9EcYxSfKut/F7Hsms676etFcktAiuqCHXqb7qZ0HoBcKASewUvu+qcz05fMmNHn2 JtwgxmY+C5bUMMDek6w6U55wp2/s5immehFMiGZ9is6QXMVH8BOnC0VDhfJxVzUrTl fq7GLejEaoe6Q== Original-Received: from alfajor (104-222-126-84.cpe.teksavvy.com [104.222.126.84]) by mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 2A1161202D5; Sun, 25 Apr 2021 17:03:56 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <87zgxmjkr9.fsf@gnus.org> (Lars Ingebrigtsen's message of "Sun, 25 Apr 2021 20:12:58 +0200") X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:204922 Archived-At: >>> I would be in favour of fixing this by adding one or more new variables >>> with reasonable semantics. For example, why not have a variable called >>> `alarm-bell' with these valid values: >>> >>> - a function call this function >>> - `visual' Use a visual bell >>> - t Ring the bell >>> - nil Do nothing >> >> Agreed, except I suggest to use slightly different names: `visual` becomes >> `ring-bell-visual`, `t` becomes `ring-bell-beep`, `nil` becomes `ignore` and >> `alarm-bell` becomes `ring-bell-function`. > > So just use function names instead of symbols? I think, in general, > it's nice to have things like nil/t in variables like this -- it's > easier for users to deal with. > > Anyway, I agree that cleaning up this area by introducing a new variable > and obsoleting the slightly confusing current state of affairs would be > nice. My point was that we can clean up without any new variable ;-) Stefan