From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#23006: 25.0.92; Loading Tramp breaks pcomplete in eshell-mode Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2016 15:26:15 -0400 Message-ID: References: <871t7d4ion.fsf@gmx.de> <87egb8faxv.fsf@gmx.de> <8760wj3eks.fsf@gmx.de> <8760wj4jvp.fsf@gmx.de> <871t7650th.fsf@gmx.de> <87io0i32sq.fsf@gmx.de> <871t752nme.fsf@gmx.de> <87bn69uouo.fsf@gmx.de> <764322aa-50ea-96b4-7c2a-36fbd60b2b54@yandex.ru> <8760wgvql0.fsf@gmx.de> <87r3f4ub0o.fsf@gmx.de> <87fuvjomow.fsf@gmx.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1458588443 853 80.91.229.3 (21 Mar 2016 19:27:23 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2016 19:27:23 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 23006@debbugs.gnu.org, Dmitry Gutov To: Michael Albinus Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Mar 21 20:27:12 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ai5Tr-0006A0-8s for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 21 Mar 2016 20:27:11 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:59902 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ai5Tq-0005F4-EM for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 21 Mar 2016 15:27:10 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:58460) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ai5Tm-0005Eo-5R for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 21 Mar 2016 15:27:07 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ai5Ti-0008CL-0G for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 21 Mar 2016 15:27:05 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.43]:60197) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ai5Th-0008CF-T4 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 21 Mar 2016 15:27:01 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ai5Th-0005FC-P8 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 21 Mar 2016 15:27:01 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Stefan Monnier Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2016 19:27:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 23006 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 23006-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B23006.145858837820109 (code B ref 23006); Mon, 21 Mar 2016 19:27:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 23006) by debbugs.gnu.org; 21 Mar 2016 19:26:18 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57324 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ai5Sz-0005EH-RP for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 21 Mar 2016 15:26:18 -0400 Original-Received: from chene.dit.umontreal.ca ([132.204.246.20]:56034) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ai5Sy-0005E9-JM for 23006@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 21 Mar 2016 15:26:16 -0400 Original-Received: from pastel.home (lechon.iro.umontreal.ca [132.204.27.242]) by chene.dit.umontreal.ca (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id u2LJQk6I004547; Mon, 21 Mar 2016 15:26:46 -0400 Original-Received: by pastel.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id CDB1360587; Mon, 21 Mar 2016 15:26:15 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <87fuvjomow.fsf@gmx.de> (Michael Albinus's message of "Mon, 21 Mar 2016 16:49:51 +0100") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.1.50 (gnu/linux) X-NAI-Spam-Flag: NO X-NAI-Spam-Threshold: 5 X-NAI-Spam-Score: 0 X-NAI-Spam-Rules: 1 Rules triggered RV5617=0 X-NAI-Spam-Version: 2.3.0.9418 : core <5617> : inlines <4541> : streams <1606641> : uri <2171552> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:115265 Archived-At: >> Indeed, the issue is "don't interfere with the main operation", so >> prompting is a clear no-no. Opening a new connection might be >> acceptable (as long as it doesn't block Emacs for too long, for >> example). > Again, Tramp has no chance to determine this in advance. Whether new > credentials are required interactively, or not, is decided only after > Tramp has started to open a new connection. That's OK. I'm only talking about the intended meaning of non-essential, independently of any particular use such as in Tramp. If there's a risk of problems and non-essential is non-nil, then don't open a new connection. If there's always such a risk, then never open a new connection (when non-essential is non-nil). Stefan