From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#1305: All code that currently beeps should use visual bell instead Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2021 13:27:25 -0400 Message-ID: References: <87blabpy54.fsf@gnus.org> <87lf9eo3mq.fsf@gnus.org> <0d7924a2-d09f-e2d0-f0e7-6b5ee3a7a7f2@yandex.ru> <192e82f20f5deb690394@heytings.org> <4fdaf2ab-30c0-c171-d46c-d22e02579962@yandex.ru> <192e82f20fc0afe2bccd@heytings.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="19493"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: Alan Third , 1305@debbugs.gnu.org, Michael Welsh Duggan , Stefan Kangas , jasonspiro4@gmail.com, Dmitry Gutov , Lars Ingebrigtsen To: Gregory Heytings Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Apr 21 19:28:47 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1lZGeZ-0004qz-Al for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 21 Apr 2021 19:28:43 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:56444 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lZGeY-0007oA-EB for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 21 Apr 2021 13:28:42 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:48060) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lZGdu-0007o1-RJ for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 21 Apr 2021 13:28:06 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:48163) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lZGdu-0008Gb-KJ for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 21 Apr 2021 13:28:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lZGdu-0003WI-GY for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 21 Apr 2021 13:28:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Stefan Monnier Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2021 17:28:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 1305 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 1305-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B1305.161902605913486 (code B ref 1305); Wed, 21 Apr 2021 17:28:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 1305) by debbugs.gnu.org; 21 Apr 2021 17:27:39 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59709 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lZGdX-0003VS-Gh for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 21 Apr 2021 13:27:39 -0400 Original-Received: from mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca ([132.204.25.50]:48061) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lZGdS-0003VC-U7 for 1305@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 21 Apr 2021 13:27:38 -0400 Original-Received: from pmg1.iro.umontreal.ca (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pmg1.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 3A32610033B; Wed, 21 Apr 2021 13:27:29 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: from mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (unknown [172.31.2.1]) by pmg1.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 6D166100201; Wed, 21 Apr 2021 13:27:27 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=iro.umontreal.ca; s=mail; t=1619026047; bh=o5eGF+J8bw83A9WTLgRe1VKDh3ktm4/g8JHG2Si5odA=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=YG2yXeB/0FoSi8AwgP4bMeeyxJUj5Qv5X6PXogPjI628wjUlaqM9uxwxS45dCviv/ gTwepMlNhuAa/vjehC0mulseZaAwV9P9PbCicI2l3SCa/CtkOkT73VLkbr1HoX2FA/ xVdy9cL6R0YgpvylqAp9NG/9txw1o8//D1v4+DRz7zKkFGw7FWRhd/DZCY88/WIfkx 38c4WAFWG7RtI1VLBjIKtzikbCJ1PeU0iGhXBC/JboNsx6YK/SKYVUAZDq/vgFM0Xz kQpfpugO92mnxVZAcNTK7vJ1Q9dDsBn/+NXZHG1oMRJZ0+97BgR4T9FL+QyUU9kDGW OU9hJyBJP8RcA== Original-Received: from alfajor (104-222-126-84.cpe.teksavvy.com [104.222.126.84]) by mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 18F8E120257; Wed, 21 Apr 2021 13:27:27 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <192e82f20fc0afe2bccd@heytings.org> (Gregory Heytings's message of "Wed, 21 Apr 2021 16:14:24 +0000") X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:204644 Archived-At: > I don't understand why flashing the mode-line is among the possible options. As a happy user of the current GNU/Linux `visual-bell`, I don't really care where the flashing happens, because I don't look at it. I just need some flashing somewhere within my field of vision as an indicator that "something's going on": it doesn't need to be at the place where I need to look. And indeed, the current GNU/Linux visual-bell works quite well for that in my experience since it flashes both above and below, thus not mistakenly attracting the attention to a particular spot. In other words, for me the ideal visual bell is one that I can "feel" more than i can "see". I proposed the mode-line as an alternative for those who don't like the current GNU/Linux flash, because it's one of the very few elements which are displayed in almost 100% of the cases. We could flash the echoarea instead, but I think it's a bit more delicate to implement and it could get in the way of reading the actual error message. Stefan