* bug#72808: 30.0.90; editorconfig doesn't set tab_width to a default value [not found] <pmg-aquar-1261481-87le0mrqpn.fsf@cassou.me> @ 2024-08-25 19:25 ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors 2024-08-25 20:23 ` Damien Cassou 0 siblings, 1 reply; 5+ messages in thread From: Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors @ 2024-08-25 19:25 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Damien Cassou; +Cc: 72808, jaygkamat, 8.slashes > when a .editorconfig file assigns a value for "indent_size" and no > value for "tab_width", I expect "tab_width" to default to the value of > "indent_size" as described in the documentation [1]. Unfortunately, Yes, I consciously disagreed with the standard here. IMO, this better reflects Emacs's habitual behavior, so it makes more sense for Emacs users. > Possible workarounds: > > 1. One can use MELPA's version of editorconfig instead of the builtin > one; or > 2. One can explicitly set "tab_width" in .editorconfig Indeed, you can already get the "missing" behavior by setting `indent_size` to `tab` and then setting `tab_width` to the desired indentation size. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 5+ messages in thread
* bug#72808: 30.0.90; editorconfig doesn't set tab_width to a default value 2024-08-25 19:25 ` bug#72808: 30.0.90; editorconfig doesn't set tab_width to a default value Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors @ 2024-08-25 20:23 ` Damien Cassou 2024-09-07 7:27 ` Eli Zaretskii 0 siblings, 1 reply; 5+ messages in thread From: Damien Cassou @ 2024-08-25 20:23 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Stefan Monnier; +Cc: 72808, jaygkamat, 8.slashes Hi Stefan, Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> writes: >> when a .editorconfig file assigns a value for "indent_size" and no >> value for "tab_width", I expect "tab_width" to default to the value of >> "indent_size" as described in the documentation [1]. Unfortunately, > > Yes, I consciously disagreed with the standard here. IMO, this better > reflects Emacs's habitual behavior, so it makes more sense for Emacs users. > > Indeed, you can already get the "missing" behavior by setting > `indent_size` to `tab` and then setting `tab_width` to the desired > indentation size. The problem is that the .editorconfig file can be shared across users of different editors for a given project. Emacs disagreeing with the standard means that Emacs users will now have to explain to their colleagues why they are introducing a change in a .editorconfig file that the standard says is unnecessary. This is putting me, at least, in an uncomfortable position with non-Emacs users in my team. Additionally, if other editors disagree with the standard for other reasons, we may quickly reach a situation where no content of .editorconfig will suit everyone. -- Damien Cassou "Success is the ability to go from one failure to another without losing enthusiasm." --Winston Churchill ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 5+ messages in thread
* bug#72808: 30.0.90; editorconfig doesn't set tab_width to a default value 2024-08-25 20:23 ` Damien Cassou @ 2024-09-07 7:27 ` Eli Zaretskii 2024-09-08 11:25 ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors 0 siblings, 1 reply; 5+ messages in thread From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2024-09-07 7:27 UTC (permalink / raw) To: monnier, Damien Cassou; +Cc: 72808, jaygkamat, 8.slashes > Cc: 72808@debbugs.gnu.org, jaygkamat@gmail.com, 8.slashes@gmail.com > From: Damien Cassou <damien@cassou.me> > Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2024 22:23:14 +0200 > > Hi Stefan, > > Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> writes: > >> when a .editorconfig file assigns a value for "indent_size" and no > >> value for "tab_width", I expect "tab_width" to default to the value of > >> "indent_size" as described in the documentation [1]. Unfortunately, > > > > Yes, I consciously disagreed with the standard here. IMO, this better > > reflects Emacs's habitual behavior, so it makes more sense for Emacs users. > > > > Indeed, you can already get the "missing" behavior by setting > > `indent_size` to `tab` and then setting `tab_width` to the desired > > indentation size. > > The problem is that the .editorconfig file can be shared across users of > different editors for a given project. Emacs disagreeing with the > standard means that Emacs users will now have to explain to their > colleagues why they are introducing a change in a .editorconfig file > that the standard says is unnecessary. This is putting me, at least, in > an uncomfortable position with non-Emacs users in my team. Additionally, > if other editors disagree with the standard for other reasons, we may > quickly reach a situation where no content of .editorconfig will suit > everyone. Stefan, any further comments, or should we close this as wontfix? ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 5+ messages in thread
* bug#72808: 30.0.90; editorconfig doesn't set tab_width to a default value 2024-09-07 7:27 ` Eli Zaretskii @ 2024-09-08 11:25 ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors 2024-09-21 9:07 ` Eli Zaretskii 0 siblings, 1 reply; 5+ messages in thread From: Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors @ 2024-09-08 11:25 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Eli Zaretskii; +Cc: Damien Cassou, 72808, jaygkamat, 8.slashes >> The problem is that the .editorconfig file can be shared across users of >> different editors for a given project. Emacs disagreeing with the >> standard means that Emacs users will now have to explain to their >> colleagues why they are introducing a change in a .editorconfig file >> that the standard says is unnecessary. This is putting me, at least, in >> an uncomfortable position with non-Emacs users in my team. Additionally, >> if other editors disagree with the standard for other reasons, we may >> quickly reach a situation where no content of .editorconfig will suit >> everyone. > Stefan, any further comments, or should we close this as wontfix? I think Damien's argument makes a lot of sense. I think mine makes sense as well. I can't really judge which one will work out more often right, but as the writer of the code I decided to try out my choice. But I don't have a really strong opinion about it (I do have a strong opinion that the EditorConfig standard's choice is wrong, but not whether we should follow it or not): if you think Damien's preference is better for Emacs, I'm fine to make the change. Otherwise, I suggest we leave it like that for Emacs-30 and see how things turn out. Stefan ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 5+ messages in thread
* bug#72808: 30.0.90; editorconfig doesn't set tab_width to a default value 2024-09-08 11:25 ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors @ 2024-09-21 9:07 ` Eli Zaretskii 0 siblings, 0 replies; 5+ messages in thread From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2024-09-21 9:07 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Stefan Monnier; +Cc: damien, 72808, jaygkamat, 8.slashes tags 72808 wontfix close 72808 thanks > From: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> > Cc: Damien Cassou <damien@cassou.me>, 72808@debbugs.gnu.org, > jaygkamat@gmail.com, 8.slashes@gmail.com > Date: Sun, 08 Sep 2024 07:25:17 -0400 > > >> The problem is that the .editorconfig file can be shared across users of > >> different editors for a given project. Emacs disagreeing with the > >> standard means that Emacs users will now have to explain to their > >> colleagues why they are introducing a change in a .editorconfig file > >> that the standard says is unnecessary. This is putting me, at least, in > >> an uncomfortable position with non-Emacs users in my team. Additionally, > >> if other editors disagree with the standard for other reasons, we may > >> quickly reach a situation where no content of .editorconfig will suit > >> everyone. > > Stefan, any further comments, or should we close this as wontfix? > > I think Damien's argument makes a lot of sense. > I think mine makes sense as well. > I can't really judge which one will work out more often right, but as > the writer of the code I decided to try out my choice. > > But I don't have a really strong opinion about it (I do have a strong > opinion that the EditorConfig standard's choice is wrong, but not > whether we should follow it or not): if you think Damien's preference is > better for Emacs, I'm fine to make the change. > > Otherwise, I suggest we leave it like that for Emacs-30 and see how > things turn out. I'm okay with closing this as wontfix. Let's see if we have more complaints like this. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 5+ messages in thread
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