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From: Stefan Monnier via "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" <bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
To: Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de>
Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>,
	Stefan Kangas <stefankangas@gmail.com>,
	74339@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: bug#74339: 30.0.92; CC Mode stomps C TS Mode
Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2024 01:17:41 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <jwv8qtjr9wu.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ZzfDc2upzcx1iLPN@MAC.fritz.box> (Alan Mackenzie's message of "Fri, 15 Nov 2024 21:56:03 +0000")

> No, that is the problem.  Have a look at major-mode-remap-defaults, and
> how c-ts-mode uses it to cause the symbol `c-mode' to start c-ts-mode in
> certain circumstances.  This is what I'm unhappy about.

In which way is this worse than what we have in Emacs-29 where loading
`c-ts-mode` does things like:

    (add-to-list 'auto-mode-alist
                 '("\\(\\.[chi]\\|\\.lex\\|\\.y\\(acc\\)?\\)\\'" . c-ts-mode))
    (add-to-list 'auto-mode-alist '("\\.x[pb]m\\'" . c-ts-mode))

?

> That "somehow" is the loading of c-ts-mode.  I think that even C-h f
> c-ts-mode counts as an "explicit indication" of a supposed preference for
> c-ts-mode, given that it loads c-ts-mode (if it actually does).

Yup, and the same happens in Emacs-29.

> I don't think the current mechanism is ready for the release of Emacs 30.

I don't see a regression here.

> We don't have fine enough control.  /* mode: c */ followed by /*
> c-basic-offset: 4 */ in the Local Variables: section is a sure sign that
> C Mode is intended, not a random C handling mode.

In your head, maybe.
I think for most users of other C modes (e.g. `c-ts-mode` or
`sm-c-mode`), the /* mode: c */ thingy just means that this file should
use their favorite major mode for C.

> What I think we're lacking is an explicit setting or command for the
> user to state what her preferred mode for C actually is.

You still haven't explained why the user's personal preference about the
major mode should be stated in the file.


        Stefan






  parent reply	other threads:[~2024-11-16  6:17 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 67+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-11-13 14:00 bug#74339: 30.0.92; CC Mode stomps C TS Mode Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-13 15:13 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-13 18:58 ` Alan Mackenzie
2024-11-13 20:13   ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-13 22:34     ` Alan Mackenzie
2024-11-13 22:57       ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-11-14  6:59       ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-14  9:24         ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-11-14 10:05           ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-16 20:54             ` Andrea Corallo
2024-11-14 15:51           ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-11-14 16:29             ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-11-14 16:49             ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-14 17:16               ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-11-14 19:10                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-14 19:45                   ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-11-14 16:20         ` Alan Mackenzie
2024-11-14 16:59           ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-14 17:45             ` Alan Mackenzie
2024-11-14 17:52               ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-11-14 19:23               ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-14 19:53                 ` Alan Mackenzie
2024-11-14 20:21                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-14 20:38                     ` Alan Mackenzie
2024-11-14 21:06                       ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-11-14 21:26                         ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-11-15  8:17                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-15 16:17                             ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-11-15  8:13                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-15  7:33                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-15 13:04                         ` Alan Mackenzie
2024-11-15 14:43                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-15 17:58                             ` Alan Mackenzie
2024-11-15 19:01                               ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-11-15 19:46                                 ` Alan Mackenzie
2024-11-15 20:45                                   ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-11-16 10:25                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-16 14:03                                       ` Stefan Kangas
2024-11-16 14:35                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-15 20:58                                   ` Stefan Kangas
2024-11-15 21:56                                     ` Alan Mackenzie
2024-11-16  3:22                                       ` Stefan Kangas
2024-11-16 11:45                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-16 18:17                                         ` Alan Mackenzie
2024-11-16  6:17                                       ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors [this message]
2024-11-16  8:18                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found]                                           ` <Zzi86KPmTv1Qb3nw@MAC.fritz.box>
     [not found]                                             ` <86ttc7f7jo.fsf@gnu.org>
2024-11-16 21:56                                               ` Alan Mackenzie
2024-11-17  6:31                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-16  9:52                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-15 18:57                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-11-21  7:57                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-21 13:57                   ` Alan Mackenzie
2024-11-21 19:02                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-11-21 19:48                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-14 17:29           ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-11-14 19:20             ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-14 19:38               ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-11-14 20:37                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-14 20:58                   ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-11-14 22:06                     ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-11-15 12:02                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-15  7:58                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-15 16:12                       ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-11-16 20:51       ` Andrea Corallo
2024-11-13 20:28 ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-11-13 20:42   ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-13 20:46     ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors

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