From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#6130: 23.1; artist-mode spray-can malfunction Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2015 12:02:09 -0500 Message-ID: References: <8dd014e7478827e94e3a8fe5b2b948e0@lysator.liu.se> <54BA6A0A.4080408@gmx.at> <54BB8375.9000506@gmx.at> <54BFD9D9.70708@gmx.at> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1421946197 27525 80.91.229.3 (22 Jan 2015 17:03:17 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2015 17:03:17 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 6130@debbugs.gnu.org, busk , Daniel Koning To: martin rudalics Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Jan 22 18:03:16 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1YELA4-000463-AR for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 22 Jan 2015 18:03:16 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:54972 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YELA3-0003RG-MP for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 22 Jan 2015 12:03:15 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:60583) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YEL9z-0003Qu-Kb for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 22 Jan 2015 12:03:12 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YEL9q-0004lT-Qi for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 22 Jan 2015 12:03:11 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:34375) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YEL9q-0004lG-Oa for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 22 Jan 2015 12:03:02 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1YEL9q-0002gx-Fy for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 22 Jan 2015 12:03:02 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Stefan Monnier Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2015 17:03:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 6130 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 6130-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B6130.142194613810294 (code B ref 6130); Thu, 22 Jan 2015 17:03:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 6130) by debbugs.gnu.org; 22 Jan 2015 17:02:18 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:53067 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1YEL97-0002fw-Sa for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 22 Jan 2015 12:02:18 -0500 Original-Received: from ironport2-out.teksavvy.com ([206.248.154.181]:60620) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1YEL96-0002fh-3V for 6130@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 22 Jan 2015 12:02:16 -0500 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AjsPAOwQflSnWBWM/2dsb2JhbABbgweDYIVaxR0EAgKBJBcBAQEBAQF8hAMBAQMBViMFCws0EhQYDSSISgnWWQEBAQEGAQEBAR6QbweESAWLAYNhokWEGSGCdwEBAQ X-IPAS-Result: AjsPAOwQflSnWBWM/2dsb2JhbABbgweDYIVaxR0EAgKBJBcBAQEBAQF8hAMBAQMBViMFCws0EhQYDSSISgnWWQEBAQEGAQEBAR6QbweESAWLAYNhokWEGSGCdwEBAQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.07,502,1413259200"; d="scan'208";a="108480305" Original-Received: from 167-88-21-140.cpe.teksavvy.com (HELO pastel.home) ([167.88.21.140]) by ironport2-out.teksavvy.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA; 22 Jan 2015 12:02:09 -0500 Original-Received: by pastel.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id DEBE32A58; Thu, 22 Jan 2015 12:02:09 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: <54BFD9D9.70708@gmx.at> (martin rudalics's message of "Wed, 21 Jan 2015 17:54:49 +0100") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:98586 Archived-At: >> The Right Thing to do, AFAICT, is for posnp to return non-nil also when >> the `car' is a frame. > If the caller of `posnp' is not prepared to deal with a frame but used > `posnp' to check that the position is "valid", it currently will not > fail. Yes, I understand. We can't always Do The Right Thing. But that's still The Right Thing. > `posnp'. So at least for Emacs 24.5 I would rather not change the > current behavior. That's for sure, yes. > I would change it for Emacs 25. We violently agree. >> For posn-window, the question is more tricky. I don't think it should >> ever return a frame, since its name makes it clear it returns a window. > Agreed. But `posn-window' is just a mnemonic for "get me the first > element of a position". Could you take a look at the existing callers to see how they would react to receiving nil (instead of a frame), or a frame (as now), or an error (instead of a frame)? >> So we should either make it return nil when the car is a frame, or >> signal an error, or return the frame's selected-window, > The latter would be certainly wrong. We are NOT in that window. Indeed. >> and/or deprecate it (in favor of a new posn-window-or-frame). > That's what I had in mind. But that only makes sense if most callers of posn-window can (or would like to) also handle a frame. Stefan