From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#20322: 25.0.50; indent-tabs-mode should default to nil Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2015 09:56:59 -0400 Message-ID: References: <861tjn3069.fsf@yandex.ru> <552D20B6.8030005@yandex.ru> <83mw2abul3.fsf@gnu.org> <552D34BC.4090806@yandex.ru> <83h9sibt0q.fsf@gnu.org> <552D7796.2090109@yandex.ru> <552D9204.3000604@yandex.ru> <552DC816.3030002@yandex.ru> <553513B4.6040509@yandex.ru> <55357918.7030808@yandex.ru> <5536A423.7020808@yandex.ru> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1429711112 10452 80.91.229.3 (22 Apr 2015 13:58:32 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2015 13:58:32 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 20322@debbugs.gnu.org To: Dmitry Gutov Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Apr 22 15:58:16 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1YkvAM-0001M5-Oz for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 22 Apr 2015 15:58:15 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:35375 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YkvAG-00024g-Ub for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 22 Apr 2015 09:58:08 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:48182) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YkvAE-00024N-1m for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 22 Apr 2015 09:58:06 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YkvAA-00006Y-QD for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 22 Apr 2015 09:58:05 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:46837) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YkvAA-00006R-NC for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 22 Apr 2015 09:58:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1YkvAA-0000SY-62 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 22 Apr 2015 09:58:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Stefan Monnier Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2015 13:58:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 20322 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 20322-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B20322.14297110271731 (code B ref 20322); Wed, 22 Apr 2015 13:58:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 20322) by debbugs.gnu.org; 22 Apr 2015 13:57:07 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:36613 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Ykv9G-0000Rr-FE for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 22 Apr 2015 09:57:06 -0400 Original-Received: from chene.dit.umontreal.ca ([132.204.246.20]:35335) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Ykv9B-0000RR-Tf for 20322@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 22 Apr 2015 09:57:03 -0400 Original-Received: from pastel.home (lechon.iro.umontreal.ca [132.204.27.242]) by chene.dit.umontreal.ca (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id t3MDv0QO020599; Wed, 22 Apr 2015 09:57:00 -0400 Original-Received: by pastel.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id E44C6FAA; Wed, 22 Apr 2015 09:56:59 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <5536A423.7020808@yandex.ru> (Dmitry Gutov's message of "Tue, 21 Apr 2015 22:25:23 +0300") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-NAI-Spam-Flag: NO X-NAI-Spam-Threshold: 5 X-NAI-Spam-Score: 0 X-NAI-Spam-Rules: 1 Rules triggered RV5284=0 X-NAI-Spam-Version: 2.3.0.9393 : core <5284> : inlines <2775> : streams <1426732> : uri <1913027> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:101869 Archived-At: > Now, provided we agree to default to spaces in the majority of the popular > programming languages modes, what's the reasoning not to flip the default? The reasoning is simple: the actual value matters much less than the fact that it is changed. If the default had been nil, I'd also oppose a change to set it to t for the same reason. IOW it is pure inertia. *Very* few people would come a thank us for the change, but many more will complaint. Stefan