From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier via "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#65017: 29.1; Byte compiler interaction with cl-lib function objects, removes symbol-function Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2023 18:45:32 -0400 Message-ID: References: <8B08E514-B2D5-48F5-BA90-4F5A9492F8F9@gmail.com> Reply-To: Stefan Monnier Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="10883"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Cc: Mattias =?UTF-8?Q?Engdeg=C3=A5rd?= , 65017@debbugs.gnu.org, Eric Marsden To: Alan Mackenzie Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Aug 06 00:46:23 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1qSQ2Q-0002b1-Uc for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 06 Aug 2023 00:46:23 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qSQ29-0005gq-He; Sat, 05 Aug 2023 18:46:05 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qSQ26-0005gK-37 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 05 Aug 2023 18:46:02 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:5::43]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qSQ25-0002Gd-PL for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 05 Aug 2023 18:46:01 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1qSQ25-0001Ht-Jx for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 05 Aug 2023 18:46:01 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Stefan Monnier Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2023 22:46:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 65017 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 65017-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B65017.16912755604940 (code B ref 65017); Sat, 05 Aug 2023 22:46:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 65017) by debbugs.gnu.org; 5 Aug 2023 22:46:00 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:58308 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1qSQ24-0001Hc-8X for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 05 Aug 2023 18:46:00 -0400 Original-Received: from mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca ([132.204.25.50]:13960) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1qSQ22-0001HO-2L for 65017@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 05 Aug 2023 18:45:58 -0400 Original-Received: from pmg1.iro.umontreal.ca (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pmg1.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id C79111000EF; Sat, 5 Aug 2023 18:45:52 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=iro.umontreal.ca; s=mail; t=1691275547; bh=o6X44dlQ8e8cUwuWyzhIdLC44P4CoCpHEG1M+Fh2Xr0=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Date:From; b=mMcfWttIpRe9ziW/IgH1YjlEX/KBun9TBJ2Kd0JIG/NWywqE+kqPApe2QZOzwad+5 6PTvWcYU1oWmfQJZJTAWDq8iYS9Q4c3pbOBVFvyrOBdqzAasUWFUUT93paPZsZCuBg Qk9iaAHFBLn9yIJDnkJJnGK9aAgzU94yrtn4A8q6tgzSjSdiPddyZrDgHWnQOEudky aJH8+/qsae0/LsKeMP/37fht4E7T2IMt/sCjdtpfzExxM53eZ5d/bIALRKZkHBKylO qBgrJhCfIDYaPKr6pAz6RZsFA66epSSWDGl5znHdkF8KnGluNFaVgj/JBinY9dhaMg 89mEP7H3o1AbQ== Original-Received: from mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (unknown [172.31.2.1]) by pmg1.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 847081000AD; Sat, 5 Aug 2023 18:45:47 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: from alfajor (unknown [190.16.213.142]) by mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id CCD881203DF; Sat, 5 Aug 2023 18:45:45 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: (Alan Mackenzie's message of "Fri, 4 Aug 2023 09:55:46 +0000") X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:266820 Archived-At: > I've lost the context, somewhat, but the key thing is that the notion of > symbol with position isn't really defined when symbols-with-pos-enabled > is nil. Returning non-nil for (equal 'foo #) in this > case is like saying 'foo is equal to an undefined entity. This is > asking for the sort of trouble we're seeing in this bug. I don't like this idea that we should pretend sympos objects don't exist (or are "undefined") when `symbols-with-pos-enabled` is nil. > and friends. I don't think you should do this, since > symbols-with-pos-enabled, ugly though it may be, is working. As I said, I consider it as a wart, IOW a technical debt. We *should* come up with a plan to reimburse this debt, regardless if it takes a long time to pay it back. Stefan