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From: Stefan Monnier via "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" <bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
To: Wilhelm Kirschbaum <wkirschbaum@gmail.com>
Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>, 67207@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: bug#67207: [PATCH] Add elixir-ts-mode-hook to elixir-ts-mode
Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2023 22:39:30 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <jwv7cmefmd4.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87edgnzbj2.fsf@gmail.com> (Wilhelm Kirschbaum's message of "Sat,  18 Nov 2023 10:32:22 +0200")

>>> Stefan, does this mean define-derived-mode has some deficiency?
>>> Many/most modes defined using it don't have an explicit hook
>>> definition, so should we now define a mode hook for all of them?
>> Usually we don't have good ideas of `:options` to provide for hook
>> variables, so it's not very useful to expose them to Custom.
> After I had a look how it works, it seems pretty convenient for users
> relying on customize menus and not knowing which hooks might be useful.
> There are some modes using this feature, but its not consistently used.

Yes but it's unreliable: as soon as some code uses `add-hook` on this
hook variable, Custom gets all confused because it doesn't know
why/where the variable has a different value from the one it expected.

> Won't it make sense to define a hook to custom anyways, so that users
> get used to the idea of using the customize menus to add hooks?

As long as Custom breaks down when someone uses `add-hook`, I don't feel
comfortable exposing unsuspecting users to the brittleness of hooks in
Custom :-(

Custom's main audience is specifically those users who don't (want to) know
about such tricky interactions.

> Only after using Emacs for 5+ years now I am only now discovering the
> convenience of the customize menu, probably getting too lazy to update
> init.el.

:-)


        Stefan






  reply	other threads:[~2023-11-19  3:39 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 8+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-11-15 18:32 bug#67207: [PATCH] Add elixir-ts-mode-hook to elixir-ts-mode Wilhelm Kirschbaum
2023-11-15 19:38 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-11-15 19:43   ` Wilhelm Kirschbaum
2023-11-15 19:58     ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-11-15 22:53       ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-11-18  8:32         ` Wilhelm Kirschbaum
2023-11-19  3:39           ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors [this message]
2023-11-18 10:03         ` Eli Zaretskii

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