* bug#12582: 24.1.50; customize settings not persisting across sessions + CHANGED outside Customize flag issue
@ 2012-10-05 21:31 Hilary J Holz
2012-10-05 21:46 ` Glenn Morris
2012-10-05 22:17 ` Stefan Monnier
0 siblings, 2 replies; 10+ messages in thread
From: Hilary J Holz @ 2012-10-05 21:31 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 12582
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Sorry for the long subject line, but I'm unsure if this is one bug
or two. I've written an extensive post describing various test cases
and outcomes on my blog
(http://hholz.com/blog/2012/diagnosing-an-emacs-bug/).
I've listed the minimal case to reproduce the bug(s?) in this
bug report.
Starting with an empty .emacs file
1. M-x customize-apropos<RET>shell-switcher
2. set shell-switcher-new-shell-function to shell-switcher-make-shell
set shell-switcher-mode to on
click on Apply and Save
the above steps create a .emacs containing exactly
(custom-set-variables
;; custom-set-variables was added by Custom.
;; If you edit it by hand, you could mess it up, so be careful.
;; Your init file should contain only one such instance.
;; If there is more than one, they won't work right.
'(shell-switcher-mode t)
'(shell-switcher-new-shell-function (quote shell-switcher-make-shell))
)
(custom-set-faces
;; custom-set-faces was added by Custom.
;; If you edit it by hand, you could mess it up, so be careful.
;; Your init file should contain only one such instance.
;; If there is more than one, they won't work right.
)
3. quit emacs. launch emacs (/Applications/Emacs.app/Contents/MacOS/Emacs)
4. M-x shell-switcher-new-shell (launches buffer in eshell)
5. M-x customize-apropos<RET>shell-switcher (flags both settings
CHANGED outside Customize)
6. C-x C-f ~/.emacs (contents of .emacs is unchanged)
In GNU Emacs 24.1.50.2 (i386-apple-darwin11.4.0, NS apple-appkit-1138.47)
of 2012-05-15 on jessica-2.local
Windowing system distributor `Apple', version 10.3.1138
Configured using:
`configure '--prefix=/usr/local/Cellar/emacs/HEAD' '--without-dbus'
'--enable-locallisppath=/usr/local/share/emacs/site-lisp'
'--infodir=/usr/local/Cellar/emacs/HEAD/share/info/emacs' '--with-ns'
'--disable-ns-self-contained' 'CC=/usr/bin/clang' 'CFLAGS=-Os -w -pipe
-march=native -Qunused-arguments''
Important settings:
value of $LC_ALL: nil
value of $LC_COLLATE: nil
value of $LC_CTYPE: nil
value of $LC_MESSAGES: nil
value of $LC_MONETARY: nil
value of $LC_NUMERIC: nil
value of $LC_TIME: nil
value of $LANG: nil
value of $XMODIFIERS: nil
locale-coding-system: nil
default enable-multibyte-characters: t
Major mode: Emacs-Lisp
Minor modes in effect:
tooltip-mode: t
mouse-wheel-mode: t
tool-bar-mode: t
menu-bar-mode: t
file-name-shadow-mode: t
global-font-lock-mode: t
font-lock-mode: t
blink-cursor-mode: t
auto-composition-mode: t
auto-encryption-mode: t
auto-compression-mode: t
line-number-mode: t
transient-mark-mode: t
Recent input:
<help-echo> <help-echo> <escape> x s h e l l - s w
i t c h e r - n e w - s h e l l <return> <escape> x
c u s t o m i z e - a p r <tab> <return> s h e l l
- s w i t c h e r <return> C-x C-f . e m a c s <return>
<escape> x r e p o r t - e m a c s - b u g <return
>
Recent messages:
Loading em-hist...done
Loading em-ls...done
Loading em-prompt...done
Loading em-script...done
Loading em-term...done
Loading em-unix...done
Creating customization items...
Creating customization items ...done
Resetting customization items...done
Creating customization setup...done
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* bug#12582: 24.1.50; customize settings not persisting across sessions + CHANGED outside Customize flag issue
2012-10-05 21:31 bug#12582: 24.1.50; customize settings not persisting across sessions + CHANGED outside Customize flag issue Hilary J Holz
@ 2012-10-05 21:46 ` Glenn Morris
2012-10-05 21:54 ` Glenn Morris
2012-10-05 22:06 ` Hilary J Holz
2012-10-05 22:17 ` Stefan Monnier
1 sibling, 2 replies; 10+ messages in thread
From: Glenn Morris @ 2012-10-05 21:46 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Hilary J Holz; +Cc: 12582
Hilary J Holz wrote:
> 1. M-x customize-apropos<RET>shell-switcher
There is no "shell-switcher" in Emacs.
Most probably, this is a bug in whatever package provides that feature,
and should be reported to whoever maintains it.
> In GNU Emacs 24.1.50.2 (i386-apple-darwin11.4.0, NS apple-appkit-1138.47)
> of 2012-05-15 on jessica-2.local
This is a rather old version of the Emacs trunk.
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* bug#12582: 24.1.50; customize settings not persisting across sessions + CHANGED outside Customize flag issue
2012-10-05 21:46 ` Glenn Morris
@ 2012-10-05 21:54 ` Glenn Morris
2012-10-05 22:18 ` Hilary J Holz
2012-10-12 1:06 ` Glenn Morris
2012-10-05 22:06 ` Hilary J Holz
1 sibling, 2 replies; 10+ messages in thread
From: Glenn Morris @ 2012-10-05 21:54 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Hilary J Holz; +Cc: 12582
I downloaded the latest https://github.com/DamienCassou/shell-switcher
and it works fine for me with both Emacs 24.2 and the current trunk.
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* bug#12582: 24.1.50; customize settings not persisting across sessions + CHANGED outside Customize flag issue
2012-10-05 21:46 ` Glenn Morris
2012-10-05 21:54 ` Glenn Morris
@ 2012-10-05 22:06 ` Hilary J Holz
2012-10-05 22:16 ` Glenn Morris
1 sibling, 1 reply; 10+ messages in thread
From: Hilary J Holz @ 2012-10-05 22:06 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Glenn Morris; +Cc: 12582
On Oct 5, 2012, at 2:46 PM, Glenn Morris wrote:
> Hilary J Holz wrote:
>
>> 1. M-x customize-apropos<RET>shell-switcher
>
> There is no "shell-switcher" in Emacs.
> Most probably, this is a bug in whatever package provides that feature,
> and should be reported to whoever maintains it.
>
I would have done that if the problem had been local to the package. However, there remains the issue with CHANGED outside Customize.
My decision to report it to emacs was very much shaped by http://stackoverflow.com/questions/10042639/what-does-saved-and-set-mismatch-and-in-particular-the-mismatch-part-me. In that q/a, the same flag was identified as being problematic, part of a two bug interaction that is rather reminiscent of this one.
In any case, I have long since found a workaround. The extra work diagnosing and reporting it was purely a community contribution. I can only hope someone finds it useful.
>> In GNU Emacs 24.1.50.2 (i386-apple-darwin11.4.0, NS apple-appkit-1138.47)
>> of 2012-05-15 on jessica-2.local
>
> This is a rather old version of the Emacs trunk.
>
ROFL! Take it up with the homebrew folks, it's their build.
Hilz
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* bug#12582: 24.1.50; customize settings not persisting across sessions + CHANGED outside Customize flag issue
2012-10-05 22:06 ` Hilary J Holz
@ 2012-10-05 22:16 ` Glenn Morris
2012-10-05 22:26 ` Hilary J Holz
0 siblings, 1 reply; 10+ messages in thread
From: Glenn Morris @ 2012-10-05 22:16 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Hilary J Holz; +Cc: 12582
Hilary J Holz wrote:
> I would have done that if the problem had been local to the package.
> However, there remains the issue with CHANGED outside Customize.
The problem is local to the package if it only occurs with variables
from that package. Can you demonstrate this problem with any standard
Emacs custom option?
It's trivial to make such a bug occur. Eg:
(defvar shell-switcher-new-shell-function 57)
(defcustom shell-switcher-new-shell-function 'shell-switcher-make-eshell
"..."
:group 'shell-switcher)
Evaluating that will give a "CHANGED outside Customize." message.
OK, that's an artificial example, but similar things can easily happen
for example with packages split into multiple source files that
accidentally define variables more than once. It's a bug in the package,
not in Custom.
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* bug#12582: 24.1.50; customize settings not persisting across sessions + CHANGED outside Customize flag issue
2012-10-05 21:31 bug#12582: 24.1.50; customize settings not persisting across sessions + CHANGED outside Customize flag issue Hilary J Holz
2012-10-05 21:46 ` Glenn Morris
@ 2012-10-05 22:17 ` Stefan Monnier
2012-10-05 22:24 ` Hilary J Holz
1 sibling, 1 reply; 10+ messages in thread
From: Stefan Monnier @ 2012-10-05 22:17 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Hilary J Holz; +Cc: 12582
> 4. M-x shell-switcher-new-shell (launches buffer in eshell)
> 5. M-x customize-apropos<RET>shell-switcher (flags both settings
> CHANGED outside Customize)
> 6. C-x C-f ~/.emacs (contents of .emacs is unchanged)
Shell-switcher is not part of Emacs, so "empty .emacs" doesn't sound
quite right. I suspect the problem is somewhere in the local
modifications you have.
Of course, it can still be due to a bug in Emacs's Customize code, but
we'd need some recipe starting from a really empty local customization
(which would hence explicitly load shell-switcher.el).
Stefan
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* bug#12582: 24.1.50; customize settings not persisting across sessions + CHANGED outside Customize flag issue
2012-10-05 21:54 ` Glenn Morris
@ 2012-10-05 22:18 ` Hilary J Holz
2012-10-12 1:06 ` Glenn Morris
1 sibling, 0 replies; 10+ messages in thread
From: Hilary J Holz @ 2012-10-05 22:18 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Glenn Morris; +Cc: 12582
Cool. That's useful info.
How do I tell the init process to source from github rather than one of the repos? A pointer to the relevant section of the manual (or the relevant manual) would be deeply appreciated. Downloading manually isn't scalable :(
On Oct 5, 2012, at 2:54 PM, Glenn Morris wrote:
>
> I downloaded the latest https://github.com/DamienCassou/shell-switcher
> and it works fine for me with both Emacs 24.2 and the current trunk.
>
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* bug#12582: 24.1.50; customize settings not persisting across sessions + CHANGED outside Customize flag issue
2012-10-05 22:17 ` Stefan Monnier
@ 2012-10-05 22:24 ` Hilary J Holz
0 siblings, 0 replies; 10+ messages in thread
From: Hilary J Holz @ 2012-10-05 22:24 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Stefan Monnier; +Cc: 12582
That was one of my realizations in this process; that I've hit the point at which I need to get up to speed on BDD for emacs.
That way I could spawn a pristine copy to start with, not to mention have emacs to keep notes with while working on the problem.
Any favorite references for getting up to speed in the area? I'm fluent in BDD in other platforms.
Hilz
On Oct 5, 2012, at 3:17 PM, Stefan Monnier wrote:
>> 4. M-x shell-switcher-new-shell (launches buffer in eshell)
>> 5. M-x customize-apropos<RET>shell-switcher (flags both settings
>> CHANGED outside Customize)
>> 6. C-x C-f ~/.emacs (contents of .emacs is unchanged)
>
> Shell-switcher is not part of Emacs, so "empty .emacs" doesn't sound
> quite right. I suspect the problem is somewhere in the local
> modifications you have.
>
> Of course, it can still be due to a bug in Emacs's Customize code, but
> we'd need some recipe starting from a really empty local customization
> (which would hence explicitly load shell-switcher.el).
>
>
> Stefan
>
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* bug#12582: 24.1.50; customize settings not persisting across sessions + CHANGED outside Customize flag issue
2012-10-05 22:16 ` Glenn Morris
@ 2012-10-05 22:26 ` Hilary J Holz
0 siblings, 0 replies; 10+ messages in thread
From: Hilary J Holz @ 2012-10-05 22:26 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Glenn Morris; +Cc: 12582
Ooo… Thanks, your example is very helpful.
Is there a way to have the init process source shell-switcher from github rather
than a repo? Downloading it manually isn't scalable :(
On Oct 5, 2012, at 3:16 PM, Glenn Morris wrote:
> Hilary J Holz wrote:
>
>> I would have done that if the problem had been local to the package.
>> However, there remains the issue with CHANGED outside Customize.
>
> The problem is local to the package if it only occurs with variables
> from that package. Can you demonstrate this problem with any standard
> Emacs custom option?
>
> It's trivial to make such a bug occur. Eg:
>
> (defvar shell-switcher-new-shell-function 57)
>
> (defcustom shell-switcher-new-shell-function 'shell-switcher-make-eshell
> "..."
> :group 'shell-switcher)
>
> Evaluating that will give a "CHANGED outside Customize." message.
>
> OK, that's an artificial example, but similar things can easily happen
> for example with packages split into multiple source files that
> accidentally define variables more than once. It's a bug in the package,
> not in Custom.
>
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http://hholz.com/
http://linkedin.com/in/hilaryholz
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* bug#12582: 24.1.50; customize settings not persisting across sessions + CHANGED outside Customize flag issue
2012-10-05 21:54 ` Glenn Morris
2012-10-05 22:18 ` Hilary J Holz
@ 2012-10-12 1:06 ` Glenn Morris
1 sibling, 0 replies; 10+ messages in thread
From: Glenn Morris @ 2012-10-12 1:06 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 12582-done
I'm closing this because I do not think there is an Emacs bug here.
Please feel free to send more info if you think there is.
We would need a recipe starting from an empty .emacs file that
shows how to reproduce the problem.
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