From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier via "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#57412: Could we make linum.el obsolete? Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2022 15:14:40 -0400 Message-ID: References: <87k06vxvov.fsf@yandex.com> <4cc5c07f-75d4-3bc6-e3ff-bcf84c1ce261@yandex.ru> <87sflieso7.fsf@yandex.com> Reply-To: Stefan Monnier Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="19941"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: 57412@debbugs.gnu.org, Stefan Kangas , Dmitry Gutov To: Colin Baxter Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Aug 26 21:15:24 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1oRenc-0004yp-0m for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 26 Aug 2022 21:15:24 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:52428 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oRena-0001cK-Py for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 26 Aug 2022 15:15:22 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:41860) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oRenG-0001cB-PP for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 26 Aug 2022 15:15:02 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:36580) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oRenG-00041B-GZ for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 26 Aug 2022 15:15:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oRenG-0007Aj-73 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 26 Aug 2022 15:15:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Stefan Monnier Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2022 19:15:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 57412 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 57412-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B57412.166154129327540 (code B ref 57412); Fri, 26 Aug 2022 19:15:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 57412) by debbugs.gnu.org; 26 Aug 2022 19:14:53 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54562 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oRen6-0007A7-SG for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 26 Aug 2022 15:14:53 -0400 Original-Received: from mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca ([132.204.25.50]:23883) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oRen4-00079t-6u for 57412@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 26 Aug 2022 15:14:50 -0400 Original-Received: from pmg2.iro.umontreal.ca (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pmg2.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id EDBFA806AA; Fri, 26 Aug 2022 15:14:43 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: from mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (unknown [172.31.2.1]) by pmg2.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 750F58006F; Fri, 26 Aug 2022 15:14:42 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=iro.umontreal.ca; s=mail; t=1661541282; bh=eUt3lzdxkETeRSWvuPPGiWkKdJmXXBBEqkSLHlQKE5M=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Date:From; b=GueMUXU03YtoCnGLHdXr5tJNR4Rz1EXK9TUAglr2ojn0uVzccAknVjaU9jPPidSp6 zIw7OVsg8m00AfhF0jnDE/ttl3sXp8vg8fOmjdEdQ9cxEn5pdbGAzT4ymiFrKDEpTL Z6m1HiWhLfX0LXcHj69wtwsHbBcofcDNxl+xOceWjGW6p1PiqS/HkHpI2guoKjqpO+ ZDuvSxCsZociRPStzBf/dpS5idHKVVsryV7nwlpp2S1cG1yDfTTmiU/3y0ojn1Ro0H kn0KAntiZp2CKSnORigVz3uagwPdtYAvKfKm07kEPJ9kfUPLpsA6xv4n/0OznOXH96 ZfCe9mbFyLeyA== Original-Received: from pastel (unknown [45.72.195.111]) by mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 480DF120388; Fri, 26 Aug 2022 15:14:42 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <87sflieso7.fsf@yandex.com> (Colin Baxter's message of "Fri, 26 Aug 2022 20:00:40 +0100") X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:240860 Archived-At: Colin Baxter [2022-08-26 20:00:40] wrote: > Yes, I understand that and agree. From my perspective, I am disappointed > that candidates for obsolescence seem to be chosen from libraries that > are useful and not from morse, zone and the like. Those that are useful but suffer from corner-case problems due to the underlying design are bound to fall into this trap: if they weren't very useful, noone would bother to reimplement them to fix those corner cases but since the problems stem from the underlying approach, the fix requires a significant rewrite which inevitably leads to a slightly different featureset. The purpose of obsoleting a library like `nlinum.el` is to help/encourage people to move to the better options out there (and sometimes also to discover important use-cases not yet covered by the new code). The maintenance cost of `nlinum.el` isn't very high, but there's a cost for users of having to choose between various options, none of which is a strict superset of the other. Stefan