From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier via "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#66750: Unhelpful text in C-h v for variables with a lambda form as value Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2023 13:17:13 -0400 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: Stefan Monnier Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="26393"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Cc: 66750@debbugs.gnu.org, Andrea Corallo , Stefan Kangas To: Alan Mackenzie Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat Oct 28 19:18:01 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1qwmwi-0006dV-Lw for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 28 Oct 2023 19:18:00 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qwmwJ-0008VL-Cx; Sat, 28 Oct 2023 13:17:35 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qwmwF-0008SR-3w for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 28 Oct 2023 13:17:31 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:5::43]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qwmwE-0006so-Nn for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 28 Oct 2023 13:17:30 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1qwmwk-0003Qe-9h for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 28 Oct 2023 13:18:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Stefan Monnier Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2023 17:18:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 66750 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 66750-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B66750.169851347713168 (code B ref 66750); Sat, 28 Oct 2023 17:18:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 66750) by debbugs.gnu.org; 28 Oct 2023 17:17:57 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39485 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1qwmwe-0003QK-QW for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 28 Oct 2023 13:17:57 -0400 Original-Received: from mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca ([132.204.25.50]:39366) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1qwmwb-0003Q4-Vn for 66750@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 28 Oct 2023 13:17:54 -0400 Original-Received: from pmg3.iro.umontreal.ca (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pmg3.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 3FF294407F6; Sat, 28 Oct 2023 13:17:16 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=iro.umontreal.ca; s=mail; t=1698513435; bh=cI+YDwFwh0Q7WjKucicEi8PRgCfgV9G0ACwOdPoDKzA=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Date:From; b=B5RRgM6AqFh5UnusZ00niO20659FX1LLAvSNoPDTyb+cnfi1xwy8q6HvyU3Z5bkfT iO0FH/G1BKK6p5EsJM+ot4JG+mprQoK33rg9Y/bkP0wzMO8dU+5L9qh9EwZWQrT6By +z5pfYyCO3DoVQH6KIiRy6s9Vt1hLHt8MLIMJgfDsGai0X1UaRTbvT1QIUw/IJu8tz lAGLhH1mG9Seq1Uolvc4vKqxI92GV9TLfKHUwkWwS+QYVuSK6luORKBjD8wB2Xmeal nuVgcgnb+//vPegoMNTdHg3wBirxAjrzTL6/Rw/HhT9fEQr7jcMgUWqRI4vXUIaOp/ kSBhm9jpXex7A== Original-Received: from mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (unknown [172.31.2.1]) by pmg3.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 4AEDC44068F; Sat, 28 Oct 2023 13:17:15 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: from pastel (unknown [45.72.195.71]) by mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 11878120079; Sat, 28 Oct 2023 13:17:15 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: (Alan Mackenzie's message of "Sat, 28 Oct 2023 15:59:26 +0000") X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:273456 Archived-At: >> > Currently feature/named-lambdas is mostly working, not fully working. Didn't know about this feature. I like the idea of keeping better track of the origin of lambda expressions (tho, admittedly, the same problem occurs with other kinds of data: I have several times been faced with a keymap or a char-table, wondering where the heel it came from). I took a look at git log -p main..origin/feature/named-lambdas but that's 127kB, so ... could briefly describe the overall design (IOW, how it's seen by ELisp programmers, byte-compiler hackers, and ELisp users)? Also, what other approaches have you considered/tried and what were the problems you've encountered, if any? Stefan