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From: Stefan Monnier via "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" <bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
To: Dmitry Gutov <dmitry@gutov.dev>
Cc: 68246@debbugs.gnu.org, "Eli Zaretskii" <eliz@gnu.org>,
	casouri@gmail.com, "João Távora" <joaotavora@gmail.com>,
	"Stefan Kangas" <stefankangas@gmail.com>
Subject: bug#68246: 30.0.50; Add non-TS mode as extra parent of TS modes
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2024 09:17:15 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <jwv5xzq92fy.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <8e6935bc-2a60-4a14-8e63-d6057a7e2af7@gutov.dev> (Dmitry Gutov's message of "Thu, 18 Jan 2024 07:05:55 +0200")

> away).  The language-specific version of major-mode-remap-alist looks
> necessary after all.

It doesn't have to be specifically about languages.
It can just be a "default" set of "major mode" remappings.

>>> @@ -3206,10 +3209,10 @@ interpreter-mode-alist
>>>        ("emacs" . emacs-lisp-mode)))
>>>     "Alist mapping interpreter names to major modes.
>>>   This is used for files whose first lines match `auto-mode-interpreter-regexp'.
>>> -Each element looks like (REGEXP . MODE).
>>> +Each element looks like (REGEXP . MODE-OR-LANGUAGE).
>>>   If REGEXP matches the entire name (minus any directory part) of
>>>   the interpreter specified in the first line of a script, enable
>>> -major mode MODE.
>>> +MODE-OR-LANGUAGE.
>> There's a similar need for "content type" rather than "language".  If we
>> want to mention "language" we should also take the opportunity to
>> mention other related categorizations like "content type".
> Are "content type" and "language" going to be different things?
> They seem the same to me.

I think there's the same kind of difference between "language" and
"content type" as between "language" and "major mode" :-)

> OTOH, the major mode can only run the language hook, I think, if any major
> mode can correspond only to one language.

Not so.  A major mode can easily do

    (run-mode-hooks (compute-the-hook))

> Though I suppose if set-auto-mode-0 saves the currently "detected"
> language somewhere, the major mode definitions could pick it up and
> call the corresponding hook.

Major modes are not activated solely via `set-auto-mode-0`, so relying
on that is a crutch/hack, not something on which to base a design.

>> I'm not comfortable enshrining the "-ts-mode" convention here.
> We can still go the "strict" approach, where when no language is assigned,
> we don't try to guess it.

I think the `<LANG>-mode` heuristic is acceptable, because it's been
*the* convention used in Emacs.

>> Also I think if we want a `buffer-language` function, it should not rely
>> on how the mode was installed (e.g. `set-auto-mode--last`) but only on
>> the major mode itself, i.e. something like
>>      (defun buffer-language ()
>>        (or buffer-language
> Where would the buffer-language variable be set, if not inside
> set-auto-mode-*?

In the major mode?

>>            (some heuristic based on major-mode and/or derived-modes)))
> If we're sure we don't want several languages to be able to refer to the
> same major mode...

A major mode can

    (setq major-mode ...)

If/when such "generic" major modes become a thing, and the `(setq major-mode ...)`
hack becomes too inconvenient, we can devise a better solution
(e.g. extending/tweaking the way `derived-mode-*` work).

>> [ Of course, I already mentioned that I also suspect that there can/will
>>    be sometimes several languages (or none).  ]
> I'm not clear on this. You mentioned complex cases - like an xml inside an
> archive? But depending on the usage, only one of the languages might be
> "active" at a given time.

But depending on what "the language/type/mode" is used for, we may not
care really about which language/type/mode is "active" but about which
languages/types/modes are applicable (e.g. for `.dir-locals.el`).

>>> +(defun set-buffer-language (language)
>>> +  "Set the language of the current buffer.
>>> +And switch the major mode appropriately."
>>> +  (interactive
>>> +   (list (let* ((ct (mapcan
>>> +                     (lambda (pair) (and (keywordp (car pair))
>>> +                                    (list (symbol-name (car pair)))))
>>> +                     major-mode-remap-alist))
>>> +                (lang (completing-read "Language: " ct)))
>>> +           (and lang (intern lang)))))
>>> +  (set-auto-mode-0 language))
>> I see several issues with this function (name and implementation), but
>> I wonder when we'd ever need such a thing.
>
> It seemed like a missed opportunity not to provide a more high-level command
> to switch to a specific language for the buffer. E.g. how we sometimes use
> 'M-x foo-major-mode' when a file type's been misdetected, or the buffer is
> non-file-visiting (perhaps very temporary).
>
> A command which does this with exhaustive completion across the configured
> languages seems handy. At least that's my impression from briefly testing
> it out.

We can do the same with major modes, of course (just `mapatom` and filter out
the non-major modes), so feel free to add such a command, but it doesn't
seem like offering it for "languages" is particularly more useful than
offering it for "major modes".

> Also, get-current-mode-for-language can be implemented in terms of
> set-buffer-language (see my earlier email to Joao).

That seems to be a roundabout way to go about it.
`get-current-mode-for-language/type/mode` should be used by
`set-auto-mode` rather than other way around, no?

> <LANG>-mode is lexically indistinguishable from <NONLANG>-mode. If we used
> the names like <LANG>-lang, at least one could tell whether one of the
> parents of a given <foo>-mode is a language.

Other than for Eglot, where does this distinction matter?

>> Another issue I see if we don't use something like
>> `derived-mode-add-parents` is that all the various places where we use
>> mode-indexing, such as `.dir-locals.el`, `ffap`, YASnippet, etc... will
>> need to be extended with a way to use "languages" as well, and then we
>> also need to define a sane precedence between settings that apply to
>> a given mode and settings that apply to a given language (setting for
>> `js-ts-mode` should presumably take precedence over settings for
>> `:js` which should take precedence over settings for `prog-mode`).
> That's a good point: if "languages" as a separate notion gets added, it
> would make sense to use them in more places (not 100% necessary, but good
> for consistency). With the associated complexity that you mention.

And if it's not merged into the same hierarchy as major modes, how do
you get `:js` (i.e. "language") to be sometimes higher-precedence and
sometimes lower precedence than a mode?


        Stefan






  reply	other threads:[~2024-01-18 14:17 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 146+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-01-04 22:11 bug#68246: 30.0.50; Add non-TS mode as extra parent of TS modes Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-01-04 23:02 ` João Távora
2024-01-04 23:05   ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-01-04 23:41     ` João Távora
2024-01-04 23:18   ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-01-04 23:48     ` João Távora
2024-01-04 23:59       ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-01-05  0:35         ` João Távora
2024-01-05  0:43           ` Yuan Fu
2024-01-05  7:51       ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-05 11:27         ` João Távora
2024-01-05 13:26           ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-05 15:16             ` João Távora
2024-01-05 15:34               ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-05 18:02                 ` João Távora
2024-01-05 18:56                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-05 23:20                     ` João Távora
2024-01-05 23:51                       ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-01-06  0:16                         ` João Távora
2024-01-06  4:08                           ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-01-06 14:36                             ` João Távora
2024-01-06 15:50                               ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-01-06 22:22                                 ` João Távora
2024-01-07  6:55                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-08  0:12                                     ` João Távora
2024-01-08  3:34                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-08 10:50                                         ` João Távora
2024-01-08 13:13                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-08 14:45                                             ` João Távora
2024-01-08 17:15                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-14  2:19                                                 ` Yuan Fu
2024-01-14  3:10                                                   ` João Távora
2024-01-14  4:00                                                     ` Yuan Fu
2024-01-14  7:02                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-14 23:40                                                       ` João Távora
2024-01-15 12:38                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-15 14:45                                                           ` João Távora
2024-01-15 15:00                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-15 15:09                                                               ` João Távora
2024-01-15  2:10                                                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-01-15 12:46                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-15 18:32                                                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-01-15 18:52                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-15 20:17                                                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-01-15 20:27                                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-15 15:27                                                         ` João Távora
2024-01-15 20:51                                                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-01-15 23:11                                                             ` João Távora
2024-01-16  2:09                                                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-01-16 11:06                                                                 ` João Távora
2024-01-17  2:41                                                                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-01-17 10:20                                                                     ` João Távora
2024-01-18  0:47                                                                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-01-17 17:08                                                         ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-01-18  5:05                                                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-01-18 14:17                                                             ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors [this message]
2024-01-18 19:55                                                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-01-18 21:24                                                                 ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-01-19  1:28                                                                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-01-19 12:43                                                                     ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-01-19 12:53                                                                       ` João Távora
2024-01-19 13:19                                                                         ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-01-19 14:01                                                                           ` João Távora
2024-01-19 18:05                                                                             ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-01-19 22:47                                                                               ` João Távora
2024-01-20  7:03                                                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-20 10:16                                                                                   ` João Távora
2024-01-21  0:32                                                                                     ` Yuan Fu
2024-01-21  9:54                                                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-24  6:20                                                                                         ` Yuan Fu
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2024-03-09 15:39                                                                                             ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-01-20  5:43                                                                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-01-14  6:33                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-14 23:18                                                     ` João Távora
2024-01-15 12:35                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-15 14:49                                                         ` João Távora
2024-01-08  4:11                                   ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-01-08 11:11                                     ` João Távora
2024-01-08 12:45                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-08 18:57                                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-01-08 19:55                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-08 20:06                                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-01-08 22:12                                             ` João Távora
2024-01-09  3:28                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-08 19:18                                       ` Stefan Kangas
2024-01-08 19:57                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-08 20:05                                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-01-09  3:27                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-16  2:32                                         ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-01-16 23:29                                           ` João Távora
2024-01-17  0:02                                             ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-01-17  0:49                                               ` João Távora
2024-01-17  3:45                                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-01-19  5:12                                           ` Yuan Fu
2024-01-20  5:47                                             ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-01-20  7:46                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-21  0:32                                                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-01-08 19:04                                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-01-09  0:10                                       ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-01-09  0:39                                         ` João Távora
2024-01-09  0:52                                           ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-01-09  1:05                                             ` João Távora
2024-01-09  1:04                                               ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-01-09  1:11                                                 ` João Távora
2024-01-09  3:49                                                   ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-01-09 10:52                                                     ` João Távora
2024-01-10  1:18                                                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-01-10 16:11                                                       ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-01-11  3:41                                                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-01-09  4:49                                               ` Stefan Kangas
2024-01-09  7:24                                               ` Kévin Le Gouguec
2024-01-09  1:09                                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-01-09  1:31                                           ` João Távora
2024-01-09  3:55                                           ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-01-09 11:05                                             ` João Távora
2024-01-10  1:15                                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-01-10  1:59                                                 ` João Távora
2024-01-10 16:04                                               ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-01-10 17:02                                                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-01-10 17:31                                                 ` João Távora
2024-01-10  1:41                                             ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-01-10  6:24                                               ` Stefan Kangas
2024-01-10 15:51                                                 ` João Távora
2024-01-11  3:49                                                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-01-16  2:35                                                 ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-01-16 10:34                                                   ` João Távora
2024-01-16 17:45                                                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-01-16 22:00                                                       ` João Távora
2024-01-17  2:05                                                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-01-17 10:31                                                           ` João Távora
2024-01-17 23:37                                                             ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-01-06  8:12                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-06  8:07                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-06 13:52                         ` João Távora
2024-01-05 19:03                   ` Stefan Kangas
2024-01-05 23:37                     ` João Távora
2024-01-06  8:09                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-06  3:19               ` Yuan Fu
2024-01-06  3:36                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-01-06  4:16                 ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-01-07  6:59                   ` Yuan Fu
2024-01-06 14:54                 ` João Távora
2024-01-08 18:16     ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-01-05  7:40 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-05 18:43 ` Stefan Kangas
2024-01-05 19:11   ` Stefan Kangas

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