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From: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
To: Juri Linkov <juri@jurta.org>
Cc: 5809@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: bug#5809: 23.1.94; cross-reference by anchor yields in accurate position
Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2010 16:09:00 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <jwv4ojp3c6e.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87bpdxdes3.fsf@mail.jurta.org> (Juri Linkov's message of "Mon, 05 Apr 2010 19:50:52 +0300")

> I think both types of navigation links (breadcrumbs and up/next/prev)
> should be treated equally.  If we'll implement clicking with the keyboard
> and copy&paste in Emacs-24, it would be natural to apply this to the
> up/next/prev links as well and change their visual appearance.

The up/prev/next links are different because we don't want them to
scroll with the text.  I.e. we're willing to give up on keyboard-clicking
and copy&pasting to be able to use the header-line.

Maybe we'd want to put the breadcrumbs in the header-line as well, but
that would require 2 lines of header-line and I'm not sure I'd be in
favor of such a change (especially as computer displays tend to get
less and less tall nowadays, for reasons that escape me).

> In any case, it's important that the visual appearance should match the
> user's expectation.  When the visual appearance of breadcrumbs is
> the same as for the rest text of the Info buffer, users will be tempted
> to use the keyboard on breadcrumbs.

I think it's OK: it is a misfeature, so it's normal for people to
complain about them.  Let's not pretend it's a feature when it's not.
Or to reverse your argument: if it looks like a header-line, people will
report bugs about the fact that it doesn't stay at the top of the
display ;-)
I.e. in any case it won't match all the user's expectations and I don't
think this argument will give us a good basis on which to make a decision.

> The overlay doesn't correctly interact with the `invisible'
> text property.

Interesting.  That deserves a comment.

> However, we can put 'invisible on the overlay instead of the text property:
>     (let ((ov (make-overlay (point-min) (1+ header-end))))
>       (overlay-put ov 'invisible t)
>       (overlay-put ov 'after-string (Info-breadcrumbs))
>       (overlay-put ov 'evaporate t))

Yes, that's better, thank you.


        Stefan






  reply	other threads:[~2010-04-05 20:09 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 49+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-03-31  9:58 bug#5809: 23.1.94; cross-reference by anchor yields in accurate position Eli Zaretskii
2010-03-31 11:17 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-03-31 15:08 ` Juri Linkov
2010-03-31 15:55   ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-04-01 18:06     ` Juri Linkov
2010-04-01 18:13       ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-04-01 18:30         ` Juri Linkov
2010-04-01 20:22           ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-04-01 20:49             ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-04-01 21:10               ` Juri Linkov
2010-04-01 22:16               ` Stefan Monnier
2010-04-02  7:07                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-04-02 14:17                   ` Drew Adams
2010-04-02 14:39                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-04-02 15:26                       ` Drew Adams
2010-04-04 20:39                         ` Drew Adams
2010-04-04 20:47                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-04-04 22:51                             ` Drew Adams
2010-04-04 23:58                               ` Juri Linkov
2010-04-05  7:01                                 ` Drew Adams
2010-04-05 16:42                                   ` Juri Linkov
2010-04-05 20:11                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2010-04-05 23:17                                       ` Drew Adams
2010-04-06  5:49                                         ` Drew Adams
2010-04-06 17:46                                           ` Drew Adams
2010-04-05 16:45                               ` Juri Linkov
2010-04-05 17:12                                 ` Drew Adams
2010-04-05 21:55                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-04-05  6:38                   ` Drew Adams
2010-04-02 16:14                 ` Juri Linkov
2010-04-02 16:31                   ` Drew Adams
2010-04-02 17:41                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-04-02 18:01                   ` Stefan Monnier
2010-04-02 23:11                     ` Juri Linkov
2010-04-03 22:04                       ` Juri Linkov
2010-04-04  6:12                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-04-04 11:07                           ` Juri Linkov
2010-04-04 12:12                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-04-04 23:51                               ` Juri Linkov
2010-04-05  5:26                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-04-04 14:31                         ` Stefan Monnier
2010-04-04 23:52                           ` Juri Linkov
2010-04-05  2:06                             ` Stefan Monnier
2010-04-05 16:50                               ` Juri Linkov
2010-04-05 20:09                                 ` Stefan Monnier [this message]
2010-04-05 22:17                                   ` Juri Linkov
2010-04-01 21:09             ` Juri Linkov
2010-04-02 18:03               ` Stefan Monnier
2010-04-25 18:28 ` Chong Yidong

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