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From: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
To: Philipp Stephani <p.stephani2@gmail.com>
Cc: 41988@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: bug#41988: 28.0.50; Edebug unconditionally instruments definitions with &define specs
Date: Sun, 04 Apr 2021 16:16:16 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <jwv4kglvmq2.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAArVCkQ_tGXo2qHC8G091ME5xhnfW7n0nsNTY8raZwNxp_s-hw@mail.gmail.com> (Philipp Stephani's message of "Sun, 4 Apr 2021 20:40:11 +0200")

>> [ Disclaimer: I don't understand the precise semantics of `gate`, tho
>>   I do remember using it once via trial-and-error.  So maybe it wouldn't
>>   prevent it, but if doesn't prevent it, then it doesn't likely "fix"
>>   our problem ;-)  ]
> AIUI the semantics of "gate" aren't that complex, it just means "don't
> backtrack beyond this point."

[ Yes, that's the part I understand.  But it's not clear where
  backtracking is possible and where it's not.  At least, the code that
  I saw in edebug.el didn't match my expectations back when I looked at
  it, hence my not feeling quite sure what the semantics are (and/or
  should be).
  IIRC the issue was that the scope of that effect wasn't clear: if you
  think of Prolog's cut, its effect is local to a particular definition,
  whereas I think the scope of `gate` is not nearly as clear because
  there isn't such a notion of "definition".  ]

>> >> I'm not sure it's worth the trouble: the pain seems higher than the gain.
>> > This bug is rather nasty when it's hit (it took me quite a while to
>> > debug/hunt down),
>> Could you remind me what was this nasty outcome?
> The original bug report was
> https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=41853 (extremely subtle
> bug due to mismatch between frequency and offset vector).

Thanks, that's worst than I thought indeed.

>> > so I think it would be reasonable to prevent.  We already
>> > disable backtracking for literal symbols, and I think forms that require
>> > multiple &define forms with backtracking should be exceedingly rare and can
>> > be rewritten as you did with cl-flet.
>> Emitting a warning would be much more helpful than just silently
>> "cut"ting the backtracking.
> A gate isn't silent, it would cause a hard error in this case.

What I meant is that a gate would just make the old cl-flet spec fail in
most cases, with no explanation why that spec now fails even though it
worked in the past.


        Stefan






  reply	other threads:[~2021-04-04 20:16 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 27+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-06-21 16:58 bug#41988: 28.0.50; Edebug unconditionally instruments definitions with &define specs Philipp
     [not found] ` <mailman.222.1592758804.2574.bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2020-06-21 23:48   ` Alan Mackenzie
2020-08-08 11:01     ` Philipp Stephani
2020-08-08 14:59       ` Alan Mackenzie
2020-08-09 11:33         ` Philipp Stephani
2020-08-09 16:35           ` Alan Mackenzie
2020-08-10 13:32             ` Philipp Stephani
2021-03-02 15:59 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-03-02 17:28   ` Philipp Stephani
2021-03-08 16:33     ` Philipp Stephani
2021-03-08 16:37       ` Philipp Stephani
2021-03-08 17:41         ` Stefan Monnier
2021-03-14 16:32           ` Philipp
2021-03-14 17:38             ` Stefan Monnier
2021-03-18 11:19               ` Philipp
2021-03-18 14:01                 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-03-21 13:34                   ` Philipp
2021-03-21 14:37                     ` Stefan Monnier
2021-04-04 18:40                       ` Philipp Stephani
2021-04-04 20:16                         ` Stefan Monnier [this message]
2021-04-05 14:32                           ` Philipp Stephani
2021-04-10 15:07                             ` Philipp
2021-04-10 15:51                               ` Stefan Monnier
2021-04-10 16:23                                 ` Philipp
2021-04-10 17:29                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-04-10 18:12                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-04-10 19:54                                 ` Philipp

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