From: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
To: Dan Nicolaescu <dann@ics.uci.edu>
Cc: trentbuck@gmail.com, 1058@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com,
Romain Francoise <romain@orebokech.com>
Subject: bug#1058: 23.0.60; emacs --daemon should not return until socket is ready
Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2008 21:12:02 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <jwv1vyyjxld.fsf-monnier+emacsbugreports@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200810022234.m92MYgYp018688@mothra.ics.uci.edu> (Dan Nicolaescu's message of "Thu, 2 Oct 2008 15:34:42 -0700 (PDT)")
> Is that desirable? We seem to be looking at this from different points
> of view. I want the daemon to start the server early, and that should
> be the only way to interact with it. You want to have a full blown
> emacs until the server is started...
I think we agree: I also want a full blown Emacs until the server is
started. But I also want to run some Elisp code (especially the .emacs)
before the server is started.
> IMHO if someone's .emacs wants to chat during startup, then he needs to
> fix his .emacs if he wants to use --daemon.
Agreed.
> Chatty deamons are evil (or devils?). :-)
But daemons which fork before detecting if there's an error somewhere
and hence don't report such errors are even more evil.
>> That means that detaching needs indeed to be done late if we want to do
>> it right. Of course, that means it's more difficult to implement since
>> it can be called in many more different contexts (we can/should reject
>> most of them, but we still need to test/detect the undesirable ones).
> Looking at it again, it should not be too bad, tedious, but not complicated.
Could be.
> Depending on what the definition if "right" is... If it means enabling
> interaction before detaching, then you might be right (haven't checked).
> If it means the patch that Romain posted, that should be fine to go in
> now.
I can't tell yet whether Romain's patch does the right thing: do errors
in .emacs get properly reported to stdout?
>> What happens to messages resulting from executing .emacs in solution nb
>> 2 are they sent to stdout or are they silently dropped?
> deamon's stdin/stdout/stderr go to /dev/null.
That's mostly OK, but not before the .emacs (and --eval) get processed.
>> PS: Currently "emacs --daemon" doesn't do anything for me: it
>> immediately (as in "I've never seen Emacs start or stop so fast")
>> returns with no output and no remaining process.
> How about "emacs -Q --daemon" ?
Same thing.
> Is this CVS HEAD, or your famous patched tree?
;-) CVS HEAD.
Stefan
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2008-10-03 1:12 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 37+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2008-09-30 13:43 bug#1058: 23.0.60; emacs --daemon should not return until socket is ready SRS0+wOMF+22+gmail.com=trentbuck
2008-10-01 16:51 ` Dan Nicolaescu
2008-10-01 19:39 ` Romain Francoise
2008-10-01 20:19 ` Andreas Schwab
2008-10-02 6:05 ` Romain Francoise
2008-10-01 23:32 ` Dan Nicolaescu
2008-10-02 6:07 ` Romain Francoise
2008-10-02 8:14 ` Dan Nicolaescu
2008-10-02 12:38 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-10-02 17:26 ` Dan Nicolaescu
2008-10-02 21:32 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-10-02 22:34 ` Dan Nicolaescu
2008-10-02 22:46 ` Trent W. Buck
2008-10-03 1:12 ` Stefan Monnier [this message]
2008-10-03 4:52 ` Dan Nicolaescu
2008-10-03 13:00 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-10-03 17:44 ` Dan Nicolaescu
2008-10-13 2:03 ` Dan Nicolaescu
2008-10-13 15:16 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-10-13 17:01 ` Dan Nicolaescu
2008-10-13 19:07 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-10-14 7:26 ` Dan Nicolaescu
2008-10-27 7:04 ` Dan Nicolaescu
2008-10-02 22:42 ` Trent W. Buck
2008-10-02 17:54 ` Romain Francoise
2008-10-02 18:40 ` Dan Nicolaescu
2008-10-06 20:59 ` Dan Nicolaescu
2008-10-07 14:26 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-10-07 15:31 ` Dan Nicolaescu
2008-10-07 23:13 ` Trent W. Buck
2008-10-08 2:03 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-10-08 2:25 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-10-07 18:45 ` Romain Francoise
2008-10-07 19:01 ` Dan Nicolaescu
2008-10-26 19:24 ` Dan Nicolaescu
2008-10-02 0:50 ` Trent W. Buck
2008-10-02 0:43 ` Trent W. Buck
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