From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#7517: 24.0.50; repeated crash under Mac OS X Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2011 12:22:30 -0500 Message-ID: References: <87vd2dyzfj.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <4D1B22A1.6080202@swipnet.se> <4D1B27AF.7010701@swipnet.se> <4D1C6E7D.2040300@swipnet.se> <4D1D0172.8080404@swipnet.se> <4D1DB555.5080002@swipnet.se> <4D1DBD4A.6010303@swipnet.se> <83d3oiaysj.fsf@gnu.org> <4D1DD655.1040809@swipnet.se> <83aajmaxme.fsf@gnu.org> <4D1E5987.2000502@swipnet.se> <83oc80q1k4.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1293902634 14834 80.91.229.12 (1 Jan 2011 17:23:54 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2011 17:23:54 +0000 (UTC) Cc: u.s.reddy@cs.bham.ac.uk, user.emacs@gmail.com, cyd@stupidchicken.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org, 7517@debbugs.gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Jan 01 18:23:49 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PZ5BF-0002Lg-JM for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 01 Jan 2011 18:23:49 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56144 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1PZ5BE-0001Ag-Uu for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 01 Jan 2011 12:23:48 -0500 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=54912 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1PZ5B2-000170-Ta for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 01 Jan 2011 12:23:39 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PZ5B1-0004NJ-W7 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 01 Jan 2011 12:23:36 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:55206) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PZ5B1-0004NE-T9 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 01 Jan 2011 12:23:35 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PZ53h-0001bK-QR; Sat, 01 Jan 2011 12:16:01 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Stefan Monnier Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2011 17:16:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 7517 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs,ns X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 7517-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B7517.12939021536140 (code B ref 7517); Sat, 01 Jan 2011 17:16:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 7517) by debbugs.gnu.org; 1 Jan 2011 17:15:53 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PZ53Z-0001az-I3 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 01 Jan 2011 12:15:53 -0500 Original-Received: from ironport2-out.teksavvy.com ([206.248.154.183] helo=ironport2-out.pppoe.ca) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PZ53X-0001al-0C for 7517@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 01 Jan 2011 12:15:52 -0500 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AvsEAP7xHk1Ld/TY/2dsb2JhbACkRHS8AYVKBIRljhs X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.60,260,1291611600"; d="scan'208";a="86874113" Original-Received: from 75-119-244-216.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO pastel.home) ([75.119.244.216]) by ironport2-out.pppoe.ca with ESMTP/TLS/ADH-AES256-SHA; 01 Jan 2011 12:22:31 -0500 Original-Received: by pastel.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id E5F4358D59; Sat, 1 Jan 2011 12:22:30 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: <83oc80q1k4.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Sat, 01 Jan 2011 13:57:15 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Resent-Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2011 12:16:01 -0500 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:42980 Archived-At: > The only thing it can do is output the replacement character U+FFFD, > or `?', or characters in the range U+DC80..U+DCFF. I tend to think > that `?' is the best alternative. Any output is fine by me. We could try and output a chunk of text like U+NNNN, but a simple ? would do as well. >> This is contrary to what we do for utf-8 files > So we should have a different encoding symbol for these two variants. Indeed. Maybe we could call the new one `valid-utf-8'. > I still maintain that VM should do better in this case. I don't think > we have a clear idea of what happened in this particular crash, so > perhaps is too soon to forget about VM's part. No matter what VM does Emacs shouldn't crash. Stefan