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From: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
To: Juanma Barranquero <lekktu@gmail.com>
Cc: 8711@debbugs.gnu.org, Helmut Eller <eller.helmut@gmail.com>
Subject: bug#8711: 24.0.50; binding _ to unused values with lexical-binding
Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2011 09:45:09 -0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <jwv1uzcjtlz.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTi=nao0cCsha9YZjKNdNZ6kyGdUEqg@mail.gmail.com> (Juanma Barranquero's message of "Thu, 2 Jun 2011 13:17:56 +0200")

> Apparently, the macroexpansion of `dolist' invokes RESULT as

> (setq VAR nil)
> RESULT

> or, in the cl-macs `dolist', as

> (let ((VAR nil))
>   RESULT)

> which I suppose has been doing for decades, but is still a bit
> strange.

That's how dolist/dotimes are defined in Common-Lisp, hence that's
how it works in cl-macs.  The subr versions also do it because when we
introduced them, some people brought up the issue and it seemed there
was no point in being incompatible.

> The docstring for `dolist' does not say that VAR is set to
> nil before computing RESULT.

Indeed.

> If computing RESULT needed the last VAR, the current code precludes it
> (unless it requires VAR to be nil, of course ;-)

Yes, I do find it very odd as well, but CLHS says clearly "At the time
result-form is processed, var is bound to nil".

> And, if computing RESULT requieres an outside VAR, the programmer is
> going to be forced to use this anyway:

> (let ((VAR 'myval))
>   (dolist (VAR mylist)
>     ...)
>   (compute-my-result VAR))  ;; with the let-bound VAR, not the dolist-bound one

Or she can just use different names rather than reusing the same
variable name.

> so setting it to nil in the (dolist (VAR LIST RESULT) ...) case does
> not bring any clear benefit, even in the non-lexical case.

Agreed.


        Stefan





  reply	other threads:[~2011-06-02 12:45 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 20+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-05-21 18:44 bug#8711: 24.0.50; binding _ to unused values with lexical-binding Helmut Eller
2011-05-23  9:01 ` Lawrence Mitchell
2011-05-23 14:24   ` Stefan Monnier
2011-05-23 18:23     ` Helmut Eller
2011-05-23 19:29       ` Stefan Monnier
2011-05-23 20:16         ` Helmut Eller
2011-05-24  0:56           ` Stefan Monnier
2011-05-24  6:01             ` Helmut Eller
2011-05-24 12:42               ` Stefan Monnier
2011-06-02 11:17                 ` Juanma Barranquero
2011-06-02 12:45                   ` Stefan Monnier [this message]
2011-06-02 13:41                     ` Juanma Barranquero
2011-06-02 14:00                       ` Stefan Monnier
2011-06-02 17:10                         ` Juanma Barranquero
2011-05-23 20:32         ` Helmut Eller
2011-05-24  0:51           ` Stefan Monnier
2022-05-08 12:33 ` bug#8711: bug#26960: 26.0.50; Complaints about unused variable in cl-destructuring-bind Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-05-08 13:32   ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2022-05-09  9:25     ` bug#8711: " Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-05-09 12:26       ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors

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