From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#29422: [SUSPECTED SPAM] Re: bug#29422: 27.0.50; Symbol enable-multibyte-characters may not be buffer-local Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2017 23:42:20 -0500 Message-ID: References: <87vai0w1mt.fsf@web.de> <87y3mvxibw.fsf@web.de> <83h8ti94le.fsf@gnu.org> <834lpi8eek.fsf@gnu.org> <83po856opz.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1511757795 19031 195.159.176.226 (27 Nov 2017 04:43:15 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2017 04:43:15 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: michael_heerdegen@web.de, 29422@debbugs.gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Nov 27 05:43:07 2017 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eJBG5-0004MK-ER for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 27 Nov 2017 05:43:05 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:59157 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eJBGC-00037P-La for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 26 Nov 2017 23:43:12 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:45657) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eJBG7-00037K-Nk for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 26 Nov 2017 23:43:08 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eJBG2-0007QX-S1 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 26 Nov 2017 23:43:07 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.43]:51222) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eJBG2-0007QM-P1 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 26 Nov 2017 23:43:02 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eJBG2-0003ns-8u for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 26 Nov 2017 23:43:02 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Stefan Monnier Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2017 04:43:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 29422 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 29422-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B29422.151175775514581 (code B ref 29422); Mon, 27 Nov 2017 04:43:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 29422) by debbugs.gnu.org; 27 Nov 2017 04:42:35 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59903 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eJBFb-0003n7-Fu for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 26 Nov 2017 23:42:35 -0500 Original-Received: from pmta11.teksavvy.com ([76.10.157.34]:20165) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eJBFX-0003mt-S6 for 29422@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 26 Nov 2017 23:42:33 -0500 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: A2HAkQBulhta/7GPSC1bHAEBAQQBAQoBAYM8gVSDW4VYhHqPLoF9fpgAhUUChF5DFAEBAQEBAQEBAQNoKIUhAQQBeQULCw0nEhQYMYotCKhaIQKKWAEBAQEBBQIBJYM6ggeDPoJ1NosUBZMKjzyXIoleKA2HJZd0NiOBUDIaCDCCY4JRHBmBbCOKIgEBAQ X-IPAS-Result: A2HAkQBulhta/7GPSC1bHAEBAQQBAQoBAYM8gVSDW4VYhHqPLoF9fpgAhUUChF5DFAEBAQEBAQEBAQNoKIUhAQQBeQULCw0nEhQYMYotCKhaIQKKWAEBAQEBBQIBJYM6ggeDPoJ1NosUBZMKjzyXIoleKA2HJZd0NiOBUDIaCDCCY4JRHBmBbCOKIgEBAQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.44,462,1505793600"; d="scan'208";a="10402926" Original-Received: from unknown (HELO pastel.home) ([45.72.143.177]) by smtp.teksavvy.com with ESMTP; 26 Nov 2017 23:42:21 -0500 Original-Received: by pastel.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 019B86056C; Sun, 26 Nov 2017 23:42:20 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: <83po856opz.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Sun, 26 Nov 2017 17:31:36 +0200") X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:140441 Archived-At: >> My patch did not touch `setq`. It just made `make-local-variable` and >> `make-buffer-local-variable` signal the same error as `setq`. > Which IMO is confusing because the doc string of > enable-multibyte-characters says > Automatically becomes permanently buffer-local when set. Yes, it's a weird critter. Some versions ago, you could setq-default on it, whereas you couldn't setq on it. It'd arguably be cleaner if it were a function rather than a variable. > Actually, Emacs 21 said something more reasonable: > > Variable enable-multibyte-characters is read-only > > which was different from the error signaled when trying to change the > value of, say, t. Only Emacs 22.1 tossed the difference and started > to signal the same error for both. Oh, right, Gerd only added defvaralias in Emacs-22 (which is why/when it get unified into the `constant` bit field, IIRC). Stefan