From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier via "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#44418: 28.0.50; Spliced variable not matched as symbol in isearch Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2023 08:36:39 -0400 Message-ID: References: <9289047B-5BD7-493A-8A89-E2B0B38A8364@gmail.com> <83ilatbotd.fsf@gnu.org> Reply-To: Stefan Monnier Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="37474"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Cc: contovob@tcd.ie, 44418@debbugs.gnu.org, Yuan Fu , larsi@gnus.org, mattias.engdegard@gmail.com To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Jul 09 14:37:20 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1qITfE-0009bo-Bo for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 09 Jul 2023 14:37:20 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qITey-0005OY-Cc; Sun, 09 Jul 2023 08:37:04 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qITew-0005O3-Rq for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 09 Jul 2023 08:37:02 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qITew-0000Xv-H9 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 09 Jul 2023 08:37:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1qITew-0002nr-3k for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 09 Jul 2023 08:37:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Stefan Monnier Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2023 12:37:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 44418 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 44418-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B44418.168890621410757 (code B ref 44418); Sun, 09 Jul 2023 12:37:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 44418) by debbugs.gnu.org; 9 Jul 2023 12:36:54 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45930 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1qITeo-0002nQ-F9 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 09 Jul 2023 08:36:54 -0400 Original-Received: from mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca ([132.204.25.50]:41207) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1qITei-0002n0-88 for 44418@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 09 Jul 2023 08:36:52 -0400 Original-Received: from pmg3.iro.umontreal.ca (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pmg3.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 9CDC444093E; Sun, 9 Jul 2023 08:36:42 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: from mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (unknown [172.31.2.1]) by pmg3.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 5CF4D44031F; Sun, 9 Jul 2023 08:36:41 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=iro.umontreal.ca; s=mail; t=1688906201; bh=VFTQ0sLtIJXmYSTH3Jeyd5jwIaB/BP3TENXExaBJnI0=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Date:From; b=GjLkXVDd9wP843hfC+Spvk/jfJ6KGUf2u4WGF8YRepaeQrg7e9tPxBzA49FHT+3QZ xaebjAa68lRFucVnXMpY+mw5GdtN00ihU2yKhTApSVIqJtuE8o88pAbMwEKabhKhVs ecN4MhBxbynNDYXiNpiGwMr9MUPKMvY9mCb3RTqpDYTmMbdGIm0B8egjSl8ykLuQC0 WMMmJvbwRcscb49IfAQSFBnpUMKCV0Dj8pd6OEyk3jb0VLbA0U5r56d8xQgnSQaJRK FTQvtG733oTf4I+WYBTdz73T5EaSZdM7yO6oAkDNYJeXQ4FZYl0vIqa7J+DPd1/n3/ WWa6sJIYtHf/Q== Original-Received: from pastel (unknown [24.140.234.50]) by mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 254FD120208; Sun, 9 Jul 2023 08:36:41 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <83ilatbotd.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Sun, 09 Jul 2023 09:07:26 +0300") X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:264837 Archived-At: >> I agree that it=E2=80=99s easy to figure out what does the detached @ sy= ntax >> mean. I mainly just don=E2=80=99t like having two ways to do the same th= ing. >>=20 >> Since I don=E2=80=99t use search symbol myself, I can=E2=80=99t grasp th= e importance of >> it. You apparently care about it enough to go this far, and I=E2=80=99m = willing to >> take your word for it. >>=20 >> You mentioned sexp queries, which reminded me that using the detached >> syntax would allow people to interpolate capture names with quasi >> quotes. That=E2=80=99s a plus for the detached syntax. >>=20 >> Ultimately I=E2=80=99m still on the fence for this. But if you still wan= t to add it, please go ahead :-) > > I'd like to hear Stefan's opinion on this, before we make such a > change (if we make it). Yuan knows this area much better than I do, and I fully trust his judgment on this. The only I'd point out is that if we introduce a (@ ...) syntax here we should try and phase out the old @... syntax, i.e. emit an obsolescence warning when we bump into such code. Stefan