From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier via "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#65734: [BUG] kill-whole-line on folded subtrees [9.6.8 (release_9.6.8-3-g21171d @ /home/w/usr/emacs/0/29/0/lisp/org/)] Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2024 11:26:08 -0500 Message-ID: References: <87il8pao4l.fsf@whxvd.name> <87tts8vrpb.fsf@localhost> <83cyyw4of7.fsf@gnu.org> <875y4ovct9.fsf@localhost> <875y04yq9s.fsf@localhost> <875y02y0da.fsf@localhost> <87frz6w2zt.fsf@localhost> <83cyu9nyea.fsf@gnu.org> <87sf35pcds.fsf@localhost> Reply-To: Stefan Monnier Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="37931"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Cc: 65734@debbugs.gnu.org, Eli Zaretskii , emacs-orgmode@gnu.org, manikulin@gmail.com, iota@whxvd.name To: Ihor Radchenko Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Jan 10 17:28:17 2024 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1rNbRB-0009gw-4t for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; 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Wed, 10 Jan 2024 11:27:02 -0500 (EST) Original-Received: from lechazo (lechon.iro.umontreal.ca [132.204.27.242]) by mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 69C281207A7; Wed, 10 Jan 2024 11:27:02 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: <87sf35pcds.fsf@localhost> (Ihor Radchenko's message of "Wed, 10 Jan 2024 13:05:19 +0000") X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:277773 Archived-At: >> I said that remapping widely-used keys to commands that behave >> significantly differently places a non-trivial burden on users, >> especially on those who use the remapping mode relatively rarely. > > Sure. From which I concluded that Org mode should avoid remapping I don't think that's what it means. It means that it depends on what is the end-user-visible effect. If the remapped version of the command "does the same" conceptually, then it's OK (even more so if the non-remapped version of the command ends up misbehaving). I think the main question is: can we expect that some users out there will want to use the non-remapped version of the command because they prefer its behavior? So, when the alternative is to directly modify the behavior of the non-remapped command, remapping is always acceptable. [ But sometimes, remapping just doesn't do what we want, because the command is also used as a function from other places. ] Stefan