From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Glenn Morris Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#20202: Considered Harmful 73d213: 'Comint, term, and compile new set Emacs' Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2016 12:01:05 -0400 Message-ID: References: <87oa9otixb.fsf@russet.org.uk> <5703E15B.7080601@cs.ucla.edu> <87k2kcovt8.fsf@russet.org.uk> <5704233B.4020103@cs.ucla.edu> <8737qzso88.fsf@russet.org.uk> <57045765.4000309@cs.ucla.edu> <87r3ei8vz9.fsf@russet.org.uk> <5705B246.10201@cs.ucla.edu> <5706764D.2010708@cs.ucla.edu> <282e74a937853505fddfea446c9bc46e.squirrel@cloud103.planethippo.com> <57067BF6.6000700@cs.ucla.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1460045029 25677 80.91.229.3 (7 Apr 2016 16:03:49 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2016 16:03:49 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Phillip Lord , 20202@debbugs.gnu.org, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, 20484@debbugs.gnu.org To: Paul Eggert Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Apr 07 18:03:41 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1aoCPF-0006h7-5o for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 07 Apr 2016 18:03:41 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:51010 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aoCPE-0007md-KX for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 07 Apr 2016 12:03:40 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:59675) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aoCOc-0006jq-Vc for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 07 Apr 2016 12:03:06 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aoCOc-0004pk-2z for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 07 Apr 2016 12:03:02 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.43]:40759) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aoCOc-0004pd-04 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 07 Apr 2016 12:03:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1aoCOb-0002ug-Oa for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 07 Apr 2016 12:03:01 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Glenn Morris Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2016 16:03:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 20202 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 20202-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B20202.146004493711145 (code B ref 20202); Thu, 07 Apr 2016 16:03:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 20202) by debbugs.gnu.org; 7 Apr 2016 16:02:17 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:53096 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1aoCNs-0002th-Uu for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 07 Apr 2016 12:02:17 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:40186) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1aoCNr-0002tV-J3 for 20202@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 07 Apr 2016 12:02:15 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aoCNh-0004d9-4C for 20202@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 07 Apr 2016 12:02:10 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:37608) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aoCMl-0004P7-Nc; Thu, 07 Apr 2016 12:01:07 -0400 Original-Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1aoCMj-0004aN-Nk; Thu, 07 Apr 2016 12:01:05 -0400 X-Spook: cypherpunk offensive information warfare security X-Ran: -;/6|b(hV,G3.XY&Q!r74{\\f3fyCfG8(5|y/^vJGm`u[!Qv>TZ6vs"V,#$'?s#[lQNN_r X-Hue: red X-Attribution: GM In-Reply-To: <57067BF6.6000700@cs.ucla.edu> (Paul Eggert's message of "Thu, 7 Apr 2016 08:25:42 -0700") User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:116163 Archived-At: Paul Eggert wrote: > On 04/07/2016 08:18 AM, Phillip Lord wrote: >> I can think of several possibilities. In particular, the EMACS=t behaviour >> of bash should also be replicable with bash -o emacs. > I expect that this problem affects programs other than bash. For > example, tcsh 6.19.00 (the latest version of the first other shell > that I checked) tests whether EMACS is "t". IMO this issue is effectively going to be impossible to change. Eg is there any sign of tcsh adapting? How long for that change to make it into the long-term stable release of all major distributions? How many other things need similar changes? Just resign yourself to the fact that EMACS has a not-very useful value inside comint.