From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: jari.aalto@poboxes.com Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: Re: terminal.el: terminal-escape-char impossible in European keyboards Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 22:30:11 +0300 Organization: Elisa Internet customer Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1093634910 31109 80.91.224.253 (27 Aug 2004 19:28:30 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 19:28:30 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Aug 27 21:28:20 2004 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1C0mOZ-0002l0-00 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 21:28:20 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1C0mTF-0003ub-I0 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 15:33:09 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1C0mTD-0003uF-8Y for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 15:33:07 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1C0mTA-0003u0-Cy for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 15:33:06 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1C0mTA-0003tx-8K for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 15:33:04 -0400 Original-Received: from [132.239.1.58] (helo=mailbox6.ucsd.edu) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLSv1:DES-CBC3-SHA:168) (Exim 4.34) id 1C0mOL-00055Y-19 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 15:28:05 -0400 Original-Received: from smtp33.kolumbus.fi (smtp33.kolumbus.fi [193.229.0.33]) by mailbox6.ucsd.edu (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7RJRqKK069555 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 12:27:53 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from news.kolumbus.fi (news.kolumbus.fi [193.229.0.31]) by smtp33.kolumbus.fi (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id i7RJRmWU006793 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 22:27:49 +0300 (EEST) Original-Received: (from news@localhost) by news.kolumbus.fi (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) id i7RJRm202558 for gnu-emacs-bug@moderators.isc.org; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 22:27:48 +0300 (EEST) Original-To: gnu-emacs-bug@moderators.isc.org Original-Path: not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.bug Original-Lines: 42 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: a81-197-3-110.elisa-laajakaista.fi Original-X-Trace: phys-news1.kolumbus.fi 1093634867 674 81.197.3.110 (27 Aug 2004 19:27:47 GMT) Original-X-Complaints-To: abuse@kolumbus.fi Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 19:27:47 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Gnus/5.110003 (No Gnus v0.3) Emacs/21.3 (windows-nt) Cancel-Lock: sha1:b8Fd9ZAK56SkgJhw25OKyRTukzU= X-Spamscanner: mailbox6.ucsd.edu (v1.4 May 20 2004 13:55:33, 0.3/5.0 2.63) X-MailScanner: PASSED (v1.2.8 56622 i7RJRqKK069555 mailbox6.ucsd.edu) X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:8827 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.bugs:8827 Andreas Schwab writes: > Jari Aalto writes: > >> I wuold like to propose that the >> >> terminal-escape-char ?\C-^ >> >> is changed to a better alternative. The ^ character (including ~) too >> is not a natural key at least in Finnish keyboard. I don't know >> the technical term, but it's those "dead" keys that need to be configured >> separately. >> >> I was ssh'ing to remote site and working in "emacs -nw" and opened >> op M-x terminal-emulator, just to find out that there was nothing I >> could do to get back to the Emacs where it was running. The default >> key terminal-escape-char was not produced in this remote ssh connection. > > On most terminals you should be able to produce C-^ by typing Ctrl-6. Thank you, Indeed that seems to work, but it is non-intuitive. Who would know that C-6 can be used as substitute of C-^? I would like to see natural key used as default, which would not cause confusion and possible data loss (as in my case). Luckily the #buffer# files were there. Key C-' would be better, because .. you see the (') key - and you can reach it in all keyboards .. you press the Ctrol-key and that key and is works. Jari