From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Spencer Baugh Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#65347: 29.1; Underscore in query replace prevents case-matching Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2023 17:00:12 -0400 Message-ID: References: <838raa6syr.fsf@gnu.org> <83o7j451iu.fsf@gnu.org> <83wmxs2p52.fsf@gnu.org> <83sf8g2mrr.fsf@gnu.org> <83o7j42lq7.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="2481"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Cc: 65347@debbugs.gnu.org, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Aug 18 23:01:24 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1qX6ay-0000VC-8r for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 18 Aug 2023 23:01:24 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qX6ai-0007yZ-JU; Fri, 18 Aug 2023 17:01:08 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qX6ab-0007wF-AX for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 18 Aug 2023 17:01:02 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:5::43]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qX6ab-0001g1-2P for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 18 Aug 2023 17:01:01 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1qX6ab-0007fT-Kk for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 18 Aug 2023 17:01:01 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Spencer Baugh Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2023 21:01:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 65347 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 65347-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B65347.169239242229415 (code B ref 65347); Fri, 18 Aug 2023 21:01:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 65347) by debbugs.gnu.org; 18 Aug 2023 21:00:22 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:48914 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1qX6Zy-0007eN-9Q for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 18 Aug 2023 17:00:22 -0400 Original-Received: from mxout5.mail.janestreet.com ([64.215.233.18]:34273) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1qX6Zv-0007eA-Rq for 65347@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 18 Aug 2023 17:00:20 -0400 In-Reply-To: <83o7j42lq7.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Fri, 18 Aug 2023 22:29:04 +0300") X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:267791 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: >> From: Spencer Baugh >> Cc: 65347@debbugs.gnu.org, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca >> Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2023 15:14:46 -0400 >> >> > What are "symbols" in this context? >> >> Strings made up of symbol constituents as defined by the current >> major-mode's syntax table. The normal definition of symbols. > > Then you are talking about something very different from "words". > >> > Capitalization issues with program code are conceptually different >> > from those with human-readable text. You are basically talking about >> > refactoring, not about text replacement. So the use cases that are of >> > interest to you are not well supported by query-replace, because it >> > doesn't target them. It could well mean that you will need a custom >> > replace-match function. Insisting on replace-match to support these >> > cases is not necessarily wise, from where I stand. >> >> Hm, that's fair. Although I would bet that the majority of usage of >> query-replace is with program code, since the majority of Emacs usage is >> with program code. > > That's profoundly not true! Emacs is used with human-readable text > not less, and maybe more, than with program source code. I'm typing > this email in Emacs; I'm routinely making changes to our documentation > in Emacs -- these and others are all frequent text-editing activities. > >> So features which make query-replace work better with code are still >> useful. > > No, we need a real refactoring in Emacs! Using M-% as poor-man's > refactoring is fine, but pretending that it _is_ refactoring, and > adding minor extensions to it that are motivated by refactoring, is > simply wrong! It will likely complicate the text-oriented replacement > we have already, and will always fall short of decent refactoring > capabilities. > > We should work on adding refactoring instead of tweaking M-% and M-* > in these directions. Okay, I'm convinced. I'll defer this functionality to the future refactoring support in Emacs, built with project.el and eglot no doubt. >> Another feature that could support this would be to allow defining >> multiple query/replacement pairs, and applying them together across the >> file or across multiple files, querying as we go. Then "foo" could be >> replaced with "bar" and "Foo" with "Bar". That kind of simultaneous >> replacement is something I've definitely wanted before. > > IMO, this makes little or no sense in human-readable text; it does > make sense in the refactoring context. So let's add refactoring > capabilities to Emacs, and leave M-% for text.