From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Spencer Baugh Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#63648: 29.0.90; project.el: with switch-use-entire-map, switch-project errors on non-project commands Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2023 16:16:13 -0400 Message-ID: References: <86o7m91z22.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <86pm6py6k4.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <86bki9y68h.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <86cz2f7bvo.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <86353axu48.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <87o7jfi00b.fsf@catern.com> <86msyhwrrg.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <86y1hs4kkg.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <86h6of66o3.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <86wmxb2qvh.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <8634zyjt0k.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <8d1fb7ac-5c82-0ec2-8ae2-d09c131ec165@gutov.dev> <86il8r4g96.fsf@mail.linkov.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="23402"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Cc: Dmitry Gutov , 63648@debbugs.gnu.org, sbaugh@catern.com To: Juri Linkov Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Sep 11 22:17:28 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1qfnLc-0005rb-Ps for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 11 Sep 2023 22:17:28 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qfnLA-0002T9-60; Mon, 11 Sep 2023 16:17:00 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qfnL9-0002St-03 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 11 Sep 2023 16:16:59 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:5::43]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qfnL8-0003Hx-No for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 11 Sep 2023 16:16:58 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1qfnLC-0003so-HI for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 11 Sep 2023 16:17:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Spencer Baugh Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2023 20:17:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 63648 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 63648-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B63648.169446338814880 (code B ref 63648); Mon, 11 Sep 2023 20:17:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 63648) by debbugs.gnu.org; 11 Sep 2023 20:16:28 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54920 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1qfnKe-0003rw-5L for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 11 Sep 2023 16:16:28 -0400 Original-Received: from mxout5.mail.janestreet.com ([64.215.233.18]:55191) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1qfnKa-0003rh-Ue for 63648@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 11 Sep 2023 16:16:27 -0400 In-Reply-To: <86il8r4g96.fsf@mail.linkov.net> (Juri Linkov's message of "Sun, 03 Sep 2023 20:11:57 +0300") X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:270081 Archived-At: Juri Linkov writes: >> Thinking about it, I guess there's (roughly) two classes of commands >> which want different things from default-directory, classes 1 and 2: >> >> 1. wants whatever the current value of default-directory is (and gets >> this by just using default-directory as a variable) >> >> 2. wants the value of default-directory for some specific buffer X (and >> gets this either with buffer-local-value or by using >> with-current-buffer) >> >> If we could change 1 without changing 2, then we'd be happy. > > I think we can't solve this logical paradox because it contains > self-contradictory requirements. Here is the command that > illustrates this paradox. What should this command print? > > C-x p p ... C-h v default-directory RET > > Like Schr=C3=B6dinger's cat, it belongs simultaneously to both classes: > > 1. wants to print the new value of default-directory > because 'C-h v' is the next command for which > the value of default-directory was explicitly set. > > 2. wants to print the original value of default-directory > because 'C-h v' was invoked in the buffer where > the value of default-directory should stay unchanged. I would argue that it's in class 1. Or at least, it would make sense for C-h v to print the new value.