From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: owner@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com (Emacs bug Tracking System) Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#3001: marked as done (23.0.92; doc for regexp construct (?:) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 22:00:03 +0000 Message-ID: References: <87d4bdbmxb.fsf@cyd.mit.edu> <006801c9bd95$41e3e180$0200a8c0@us.oracle.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----------=_1239832803-16767-0" X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1239833090 22100 80.91.229.12 (15 Apr 2009 22:04:50 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 22:04:50 +0000 (UTC) To: Chong Yidong Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Apr 16 00:06:09 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1LuDEY-0007K5-Lr for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 16 Apr 2009 00:05:49 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59911 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1LuDD9-0006MH-SY for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 15 Apr 2009 18:04:03 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1LuDD4-0006MA-VC for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 15 Apr 2009 18:03:59 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1LuDD0-0006Lq-5k for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 15 Apr 2009 18:03:58 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=36585 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1LuDD0-0006Ln-2q for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 15 Apr 2009 18:03:54 -0400 Original-Received: from rzlab.ucr.edu ([138.23.92.77]:35400) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1LuDCz-0004C5-8q for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 15 Apr 2009 18:03:53 -0400 Original-Received: from rzlab.ucr.edu (rzlab.ucr.edu [127.0.0.1]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id n3FM3oiw017957; Wed, 15 Apr 2009 15:03:51 -0700 Original-Received: (from debbugs@localhost) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) id n3FM032x016862; Wed, 15 Apr 2009 15:00:03 -0700 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.420 (Entity 5.420) X-Loop: owner@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com X-Emacs-PR-Message: closed 3001 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:27206 Archived-At: This is a multi-part message in MIME format... ------------=_1239832803-16767-0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Your message dated Wed, 15 Apr 2009 17:57:04 -0400 with message-id <87d4bdbmxb.fsf@cyd.mit.edu> and subject line Re: 23.0.92; doc for regexp construct (?: has caused the Emacs bug report #3001, regarding 23.0.92; doc for regexp construct (?: to be marked as done. This means that you claim that the problem has been dealt with. If this is not the case it is now your responsibility to reopen the bug report if necessary, and/or fix the problem forthwith. (NB: If you are a system administrator and have no idea what this message is talking about, this may indicate a serious mail system misconfiguration somewhere. Please contact owner@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com immediately.) --=20 3001: http://emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=3D3001 Emacs Bug Tracking System Contact owner@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com with problems ------------=_1239832803-16767-0 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received: (at submit) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 15 Apr 2009 06:41:28 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.2 required=4.0 tests=FOURLA,MURPHY_SEX_L4 autolearn=no version=3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org (fencepost.gnu.org [140.186.70.10]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id n3F6fO59010934 for ; Tue, 14 Apr 2009 23:41:26 -0700 Received: from mx10.gnu.org ([199.232.76.166]:48199) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1LtyoG-00061g-1l for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Wed, 15 Apr 2009 02:41:24 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1LtyoE-0001u8-Kr for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Wed, 15 Apr 2009 02:41:23 -0400 Received: from rcsinet11.oracle.com ([148.87.113.123]:55638 helo=rgminet11.oracle.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1LtyoE-0001te-7t for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Wed, 15 Apr 2009 02:41:22 -0400 Received: from acsinet13.oracle.com (acsinet13.oracle.com [141.146.126.235]) by rgminet11.oracle.com (Switch-3.3.1/Switch-3.3.1) with ESMTP id n3F6ihFW023822 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Wed, 15 Apr 2009 06:44:45 GMT Received: from acsmt703.oracle.com (acsmt703.oracle.com [141.146.40.81]) by acsinet13.oracle.com (Switch-3.3.1/Switch-3.3.1) with ESMTP id n3F6fglE000798 for ; Wed, 15 Apr 2009 06:41:44 GMT Received: from dradamslap1 (/141.144.161.223) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Tue, 14 Apr 2009 23:41:12 -0700 From: "Drew Adams" To: Subject: 23.0.92; doc for regexp construct (?: Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 23:41:48 -0700 Message-ID: <006801c9bd95$41e3e180$0200a8c0@us.oracle.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Acm9lUA2MqdmKe/QQomZs1S33hvZxQ== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-Source-IP: acsmt703.oracle.com [141.146.40.81] X-Auth-Type: Internal IP X-CT-RefId: str=0001.0A010208.49E5818A.023C:SCFMA4539814,ss=1,fgs=0 X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 1) Emacs calls regexp groups that use the grouping construct "(?:" "shy groups". I don't get the impression that that is a common term for this construct, outside Emacs. Googling "shy group" shows only Emacs hits. Googling and searching for regexp groups shows that terms such as "non-capturing group" and "unnumbered group" are more typically used for "(?:". And the Emacs doc for "(?:" even explains it as an unnumbered group. It doesn't explain or hint at the meaning of "shy" at all. This seems like a poor choice of words. "Shy" might already have become the Emacs "traditional" terminology, so that it can't easily be replaced (some people will look for it). But at least some explanation of the use of the word "shy" is in order, if only for mnemonic purposes. What were you thinking? ;-) (Perhaps it is translated from some other language, where it has more than one meaning?) More importantly, this construct does not appear to be indexed in the manual. It should be indexed under "(: in regexp", as well as under "regexp non-capturing group" and "regexp unnumbered group" - and of course "regexp shy group", if that term is kept. In GNU Emacs 23.0.92.1 (i386-mingw-nt5.1.2600) of 2009-03-30 on SOFT-MJASON Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 5.1.2600 configured using `configure --with-gcc (3.4)' ------------=_1239832803-16767-0 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received: (at 3001-done) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 15 Apr 2009 21:55:18 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.1 required=4.0 tests=MURPHY_SEX_L4 autolearn=no version=3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: from cyd.mit.edu (CYD.MIT.EDU [18.115.2.24]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id n3FLtF2q016684 for <3001-done@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Wed, 15 Apr 2009 14:55:17 -0700 Received: by cyd.mit.edu (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 3081D57E245; Wed, 15 Apr 2009 17:57:04 -0400 (EDT) From: Chong Yidong To: "Drew Adams" Cc: 3001-done@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com Subject: Re: 23.0.92; doc for regexp construct (?: Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 17:57:04 -0400 Message-ID: <87d4bdbmxb.fsf@cyd.mit.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I've updated the manual to include "shy groups", "non-capturing groups", and "unnumbered groups" in the index, and to introduce the latter two terms. ------------=_1239832803-16767-0--