From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Glenn Morris Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#13546: 24.2.92; Error(s) when sending emails Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2013 13:13:53 -0500 Message-ID: References: <86ehh9mx93.fsf@somewhere.org> <86k3q9l8pt.fsf@somewhere.org> <86fw0x8fos.fsf@somewhere.org> <86mwv56tid.fsf@somewhere.org> <83a9r2rdze.fsf@gnu.org> <861uc4gk5z.fsf@somewhere.org> <86wqtu3v3x.fsf@somewhere.org> <86wqtt5vz6.fsf@somewhere.org> <868v69a1pf.fsf@somewhere.org> <83k3ptvy1c.fsf@gnu.org> <837glswhgf.fsf@gnu.org> <87y5e7s6fu.fsf@lifelogs.com> <831ubzw7bp.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1362161709 1979 80.91.229.3 (1 Mar 2013 18:15:09 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2013 18:15:09 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 13546@debbugs.gnu.org, wxhgmqzgwmuf@spammotel.com, Ted Zlatanov To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Mar 01 19:15:28 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1UBUUQ-0002hE-B0 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 01 Mar 2013 19:15:26 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:40469 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UBUU5-0006dh-3j for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 01 Mar 2013 13:15:05 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:51796) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UBUU0-0006dH-RU for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 01 Mar 2013 13:15:02 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UBUTz-0006fu-A7 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 01 Mar 2013 13:15:00 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:52982) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UBUTz-0006fq-7o for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 01 Mar 2013 13:14:59 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1UBUVx-0007rk-TB for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 01 Mar 2013 13:17:01 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org In-Reply-To: <86ehh9mx93.fsf@somewhere.org> Resent-From: Glenn Morris Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2013 18:17:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 13546 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 13546-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B13546.136216176330158 (code B ref 13546); Fri, 01 Mar 2013 18:17:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 13546) by debbugs.gnu.org; 1 Mar 2013 18:16:03 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:58446 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1UBUV1-0007qN-7D for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 01 Mar 2013 13:16:03 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([208.118.235.10]:44018) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1UBUUx-0007p3-SJ for 13546@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 01 Mar 2013 13:16:01 -0500 Original-Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UBUSv-0003Zx-UD; Fri, 01 Mar 2013 13:13:53 -0500 X-Spook: Semtex argus NASA Chobetsu Osama electronic surveillance X-Ran: ec[9h=v.Vnh]#[kaV/3(3h^y]Jb0ZR)wZoOj=kJ3OOdvJe_2e)yvH4Iy$*)(L&LF9HCK#] X-Hue: magenta X-Attribution: GM User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:71988 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii wrote: > I doubt anyone else who tracks development versions has such an Just to comment that this is not really the development version any more; this is essentially Emacs 24.3. If not many people are pretesting it, there's not much we can do. Or if people are testing it, but not seeing this, it's not common. > extreme setup, that puts such a pressure on the infrastructure used in > the w32 Emacs for supporting subprocesses and network connections (the > same infrastructure is used for both types). As you must have seen in > one of the messages I posted and in the corresponding screencast, Helm > sometimes fires up an async subprocess for every keystroke, then kills > each one of them right away. To me, this doesn't seem a very sensible thing to do, but I've never used Helm. > Emacs on Windows can only support up to 32 subprocess or up to 64 > network connections (each subprocess requires resources of 2 > connections). So any subtle problems and race conditions in the > related code, that will go unnoticed on more "quiet" systems, could be > exposed by such an enormous resource pressure. This is complicated by > the fact that Sebastien uses the Cygwin Bash as the sub-shell, so any > subtle problems with controlling, communicating, and killing such > processes from a native w32 application might also come into play > here. I don't know how long we keep waiting for this issue, which is 5 weeks old at the moment. Possibly/probably even older, eg http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/help-gnu-emacs/2012-10/msg00021.html http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=13701#11 http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=13701#14 Problems began appearing with Emacs 24, IIRC. Exactly the same issue in 24.1, AFAICS: http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=12579#50 And in 24.2: http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=12579#134 And in 24.2.50: http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=12579#188 Report #12579 is 5 months old, and very long. If we can't seem to make any progress in the next few days, I think all we can do is add a PROBLEMS entry (which no-one will read of course), and carry on with 24.3. But if people think that's a bad plan, we can wait a bit more.