From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Glenn Morris Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#10650: view-mode inconsistencies wrt special mode-class Date: Wed, 01 Feb 2012 12:12:03 -0500 Message-ID: References: <9vehugoa9d.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <87pqe08kgs.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1328116383 23956 80.91.229.3 (1 Feb 2012 17:13:03 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 17:13:03 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Chong Yidong , 10650@debbugs.gnu.org To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Feb 01 18:13:00 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Rsdju-0005Oy-N8 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 01 Feb 2012 18:12:58 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:45982 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Rsdjt-0002Gh-VD for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 01 Feb 2012 12:12:57 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:58987) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Rsdjh-0002Ep-S7 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 01 Feb 2012 12:12:55 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Rsdjb-0006xB-Q6 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 01 Feb 2012 12:12:45 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:45793) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Rsdjb-0006x4-OY for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 01 Feb 2012 12:12:39 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Rsdjx-00047e-Iq for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 01 Feb 2012 12:13:01 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Glenn Morris Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 01 Feb 2012 17:13:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 10650 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 10650-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B10650.132811634915800 (code B ref 10650); Wed, 01 Feb 2012 17:13:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 10650) by debbugs.gnu.org; 1 Feb 2012 17:12:29 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:49414 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1RsdjQ-00046g-Dd for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 01 Feb 2012 12:12:29 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]:54122 ident=Debian-exim) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1RsdjO-00046Z-AJ for 10650@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 01 Feb 2012 12:12:27 -0500 Original-Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Rsdj1-000655-25; Wed, 01 Feb 2012 12:12:03 -0500 X-Spook: PGP constitution Juiliett Class Submarine Forte target X-Ran: eK$,e%FDv|y+98vl1%G>dP){b*JOL1j!805jp&1y{P:*h)9P.//>6yF;xhlw-++t;\}I>\ X-Hue: cyan X-Attribution: GM In-Reply-To: (Stefan Monnier's message of "Wed, 01 Feb 2012 09:31:44 -0500") User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:56352 Archived-At: Stefan Monnier wrote: > The default global value of major-mode is not nil, so in 99% of the > cases whether a mode is special will have zero effect. Yes, that's what I meant by saying that it doesn't seem a useful feature to me. > I really would be happy to declare that a nil default value for > `major-mode' is not supported any more. So we can simply get rid of > this "special mode-class" mess. Fine by me, although the core functionality is already there of course at very little cost. > I'm not sure exactly what's the idea with view-mode's use of special > mode class, but IIUC it's that we don't want to enable view-mode in > major modes that already have view-mode-like keybindings, which might > boil down to something along the lines of "major modes which use > suppress-keymap". Yes, and largely by coincidence IMO many of those modes happen to have special mode-class.